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re: 70th Anniversary of Auschwitz Liberation: German Perspective
Posted on 1/27/15 at 10:30 am to terd ferguson
Posted on 1/27/15 at 10:30 am to terd ferguson
I know the missile guys used slave labor to build the launch complex at Peenemunde(sp?)
At first glance, Operation Paperclip sounds like a terrible immoral thing, but like Terd says, those guys were either going to be working for us or the Russians. It was better that it was us.
At first glance, Operation Paperclip sounds like a terrible immoral thing, but like Terd says, those guys were either going to be working for us or the Russians. It was better that it was us.
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Posted on 1/27/15 at 10:32 am to White Roach
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I'm pretty sure Ford had factories in Germany.
I'm not sure about the factories... but I know he wrote a book called The International Jew and made no attempt to hide his blatant anti-Semitism.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 10:33 am to ChiefBowman
There's a whole shitload more Muslims out there to deal with. Are you ready to annihilate ~20% of the world population? Congratulations, now you're Super Hitler.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 10:36 am to White Roach
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Are you ready to annihilate ~20% of the world population?
Yes.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 10:36 am to undecided
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How did entire countries embrace such a plan and turn away as a genocide occurred in their neighborhoods
Fear, brainwashing of the youth. And putting blame on the reasons Germany fell on hard times solely on Jews. A lot of them were in prominent positions and business owners. They were the scapegoat for the failing economy.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 10:37 am to ChiefBowman
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Let's have a holocaust for Muslims now
One little known aspect of what's going on with the Muslim terrorist movement in the middle east today, is many of it's roots actually come from the Nazis.
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The SS even had Muslim divisions....
13th SS Div
Posted on 1/27/15 at 10:38 am to terd ferguson
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The best description I've seen is were I read where someone stated it was "science without conscience". It's a scary thought, but I'll be damned if it doesn't produce results.
You're right but it's one of those things I think we tune out because it's so unpalatable
Posted on 1/27/15 at 10:39 am to Darth_Vader
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One little known aspect of what's going on with the Muslim terrorist movement in the middle east today, is many of it's roots actually come from the Nazis.
"I hate Jews, you hate Jews... let's be friends!"
I mean it's kind of inevitable.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 10:41 am to Darth_Vader
Off the top of my head I'm going to say that more mass killing of a certain group have sprung from Religion but like you said it's another Thread to itself. 
Posted on 1/27/15 at 10:47 am to tidalmouse
I was wondering when my unnamed friend would show up. Good morning to whomever you are.
I think if you go back to the world before the 19th century, you'd be right. However since that time, political fanaticism has overtaken for the lead I believe.
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Off the top of my head I'm going to say that more mass killing of a certain group have sprung from Religion but like you said it's another Thread to itself
I think if you go back to the world before the 19th century, you'd be right. However since that time, political fanaticism has overtaken for the lead I believe.
This post was edited on 1/27/15 at 10:48 am
Posted on 1/27/15 at 10:47 am to ChiefBowman
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Let's have a holocaust for Muslims now
We may as well stop commemorating this event(Holocaust) Obviously some people haven't learned.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 11:02 am to Darth_Vader
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I think if you go back to the world before the 19th century, you'd be right. However since that time, political fanaticism has overtaken for the lead I believe.
Aren't the two tied together though? People use religion to further their political ideology. You can't have one without the other IMO. At least not on a large scale such as Germany
Posted on 1/27/15 at 11:05 am to undecided
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I think if you go back to the world before the 19th century, you'd be right. However since that time, political fanaticism has overtaken for the lead I believe.
Aren't the two tied together though? People use religion to further their political ideology. You can't have one without the other IMO. At least not on a large scale such as Germany
Perhaps in some instances this is true. But in others, Communism for example, it's purely political.
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Posted on 1/27/15 at 11:50 am to Darth_Vader
The sites where von Braun & his group of scientists were some of the most horrific "camps" in the Nazi system. The conditions in those sites were even more brutal & extreme than even those that existed in the death camps. There are several books out there that go into details, and yet, von Braun & his group are now heroes to us Americans.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 12:14 pm to undecided
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Posted on 1/27/15 at 12:56 pm to Darth_Vader
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What was the straw that broke the camel's back though was the desperate situation in Germany following their defeat in WWI and the total social collapse that followed.
Treaty of Versailles is largely to blame for Germany being completely gutted economically speaking.
Their paper currency was more valuable to use as firewood than as actual currency. Think about that.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 1:05 pm to kingbob
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Wasn't McCarthy actually proven correct decades after the fact? As it turned out, the Red Scare was entirely justified as many of those named as communist sympathizers turned out to be just that, some actually were spies for the Soviet Union.
He also publicly went after a lot of people that weren't Communist sympathizers and royally screwed up their lives. They lost their spouses, jobs, etc. He should have privately investigated and not gone public with the people he was investigating until he was sure they were sympathizers.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 1:07 pm to Darth_Vader
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One of the main guys was a rocket scientist by the name of Wernher von Braun. He was the guy that designed the German V-2 rocket that the Germans used to bombard places like London in later stages of the war. He was brought to America after the war and for all intents and purposes is the father of the American Space Program. His crowing glory was the Saturn V program that took us to the moon. They even named the Civic Center in Huntsville, Alabama after him
And he is Jake Gyllenhall's idol. Not to be confused with his dad, who is his hero.
Posted on 1/27/15 at 1:09 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Treaty of Versailles is largely to blame for Germany being completely gutted economically speaking.
Their paper currency was more valuable to use as firewood than as actual currency. Think about that.
The Treaty of Versailles played a big role in the misery of the Germans in the 20's and early 30's. But the fact the Weimar government chose to print out of thin air trillions of German Marks with nothing to back it's value in an effort to pay off their war debt played a huge role in the collapse of their currency.
This post was edited on 1/27/15 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 1/27/15 at 1:12 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Treaty of Versailles is largely to blame for Germany being completely gutted economically speaking.
Their paper currency was more valuable to use as firewood than as actual currency. Think about that.
I don't know if I agree with the popular notion that the harshness of Treaty of Versailles was what was to blame. That was a mistake in that it was empty insults that allowed the morale of Germany to be very high come 1930s. But its just as reasonable to say the leniency of the WW1 resolution was more to blame. Germany never really lost the war. I think there's a much better case to be made for them having came out better.
Basically France lost their will to fight, got their land ravaged and industry destroyed, and lost far more people Germany's industry was left completely in tact because the fighting wasn't really done in Germany. They still had a massive, skilled workforce and a huge population of fighting age men. The disadvantages amounted to France and England suggesting that Germany consider keeping their military budget down and not occupy lands with ethnic German populations. Hitler told them thanks for their input but Germany was going to opt for a different direction.
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