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re: 5 silverback Males vs 15 Gray/timber wolves
Posted on 4/22/24 at 12:03 pm to LegendInMyMind
Posted on 4/22/24 at 12:03 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Posted on 4/22/24 at 12:07 pm to tallamander34
I’m going with the wolves. Remember the Alamo.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 12:09 pm to tallamander34
Look, if you really want to put an apex predator against a simian species. Then have the discussion about a single gray wolf versus a full grown male chimp.
Chimpanzees are predatorial and blood thirsty.
I'll take the Chimpanzee in that one.
Chimpanzees are predatorial and blood thirsty.
I'll take the Chimpanzee in that one.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 12:10 pm to DeafJam73
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Wolves are smart and know how to work as a team, but 5 silverbacks is a lot to handle. I think silverbacks win, but not all of them survive.
I disagree. 3-1 isn’t near enough.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 12:13 pm to Pandy Fackler
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Look, if you really want to put an apex predator against a simian species. Then have the discussion about a single gray wolf versus a full grown male chimp.
Chimpanzees are predatorial and blood thirsty.
I'll take the Chimpanzee in that one.
Oh, for frick's sake. I meant chimpanzee instead of orangutan in my previous post. Forgive me, they all look the same to me.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 12:15 pm to tallamander34
I was hoping for a video. Not a hypothetical. I'd asked ChatGPT if I wanted that.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 12:17 pm to Koolazzkat
I think the Silverbacks would win (considering there are five), but this isn’t as easy a win as some are suggesting.
Wolves aren’t golden retrievers. They’re large, agile predators with a distinct ability to coordinate an attack. They have a tremendous bite force (1200psi) and high endurance.
Think of it this way: a German Shepherd vs a physically fit and strong male human. I’m putting bets on the human winning, but the dog is fricking that person up. Three German Shepherds vs the same guy? The dogs win.
So how would three wolves fair against one silverback? At a high powered bite force, at least one of the wolves will get a shot in. Whatever the silverback gets his hands on is dead, but three wolves dancing around with their agility and snapping bites on the head, neck, arms, and back areas is going to send the silverback into a frenzy. I don’t know if three wolves have the ability to bring the silverback down to the ground and hold it, but they might tire him out.
With 15 wolves around, could they isolate a silverback for 5, 7, 8 wolves to go in?
How fast could 7 wolves kill a silverback? Or at least injure it enough to take it out of the fight?
Wolves can run about twice as fast as a silverback, so I don’t think the gorillas are chasing down the wolves to eliminate them. They’ll have to wait for the wolves to get close, and the wolves have better instinctual experience with coordinating attacks.
Hmmm…I still think the silverbacks win. But those wolves will give them hell.
Wolves aren’t golden retrievers. They’re large, agile predators with a distinct ability to coordinate an attack. They have a tremendous bite force (1200psi) and high endurance.
Think of it this way: a German Shepherd vs a physically fit and strong male human. I’m putting bets on the human winning, but the dog is fricking that person up. Three German Shepherds vs the same guy? The dogs win.
So how would three wolves fair against one silverback? At a high powered bite force, at least one of the wolves will get a shot in. Whatever the silverback gets his hands on is dead, but three wolves dancing around with their agility and snapping bites on the head, neck, arms, and back areas is going to send the silverback into a frenzy. I don’t know if three wolves have the ability to bring the silverback down to the ground and hold it, but they might tire him out.
With 15 wolves around, could they isolate a silverback for 5, 7, 8 wolves to go in?
How fast could 7 wolves kill a silverback? Or at least injure it enough to take it out of the fight?
Wolves can run about twice as fast as a silverback, so I don’t think the gorillas are chasing down the wolves to eliminate them. They’ll have to wait for the wolves to get close, and the wolves have better instinctual experience with coordinating attacks.
Hmmm…I still think the silverbacks win. But those wolves will give them hell.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 12:18 pm to tallamander34
Are the silverbacks working together? That’s the big sticking point here. Wolves are pack hunters who have been working together for thousands of years to take down prey larger than them. Gorillas have family groups but they’re fricking herbivores who wouldn’t have the first clue how to fight as a group.
Now, if the silverbacks have banded together like some Michael Bay directed “Gorilla Avengers” then they are going to frick up those wolves.
Now, if the silverbacks have banded together like some Michael Bay directed “Gorilla Avengers” then they are going to frick up those wolves.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 12:26 pm to SlapahoeTribe
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Are the silverbacks working together? That’s the big sticking point here. Wolves are pack hunters who have been working together for thousands of years to take down prey larger than them. Gorillas have family groups but they’re fricking herbivores who wouldn’t have the first clue how to fight as a group.
Now, if the silverbacks have banded together like some Michael Bay directed “Gorilla Avengers” then they are going to frick up those wolves.
See that's a good question.
Gorillas are unique in all this because they're not prey animals and they're also not predators. Would they instinctively know to work together? Is there anything in their evolutionary make up that would trigger them to sorta "circle the wagons"?
I think not.
Other than brute strength, relative intelligence and a set of canines, what's in a gorilla's favor? They're not predators, they have tight, thin skin and they don't have a strong killer instinct.
This post was edited on 4/22/24 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 4/22/24 at 12:46 pm to tallamander34
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tallamander34
Posted on 4/22/24 at 12:54 pm to tallamander34
A grilla would tear up some wolves. It’ll suffer some injury but it would win.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 1:05 pm to Pandy Fackler
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Other than brute strength, relative intelligence and a set of canines, what's in a gorilla's favor?
A gorilla could snap a wolf in half. It could toss a wolf like I could toss a baseball.
Gorillas would wipe the floor with a pack of wolves.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 1:13 pm to StringedInstruments
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Think of it this way: a German Shepherd vs a physically fit and strong male human. I’m putting bets on the human winning, but the dog is fricking that person up. Three German Shepherds vs the same guy? The dogs win.
You're giving the wolf too much here.
Wolves are in the 135lb range in the wild on the large side.
Silverbacks are in the 400-500lb range.
That weight comparison is more like a large NFL middle linebacker against a Siberian Husky. Not a Malumut that's 130lbs, but a Husky, who's typically in the 55lb range.
I have a Husky, and i'm not a small guy. Could i defend myself against 3 of them? Maybe, but they are likely going to frick me up too and if they were smart enough to have two of them bite both my legs at the same time while i deal with the other one, i'd probably go down and they'd kill me.
Also, pound for pound Gorillas are a lot stronger than humans. Just look at the strength of a chimp compared to a human of the same size.
The other big thing is dogs are smart, and in this fight it can help and hurt them. All it takes is for the gorilla/me to quickly kick one of the wolves/dogs arse and the others will retreat more than likely. They are survivalist as much as they are predators.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 1:48 pm to alphaandomega
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One silverback would end that shite quickly
I would envision something like the Hulk and Loki. Then the rest of the wolves scatter not wanting to deal with that.
While one or two are getting mauled by the gorilla, the others will start attacking his back. I think right answer is one gorilla dies, but gorillas win with 4 slaughtering the rest.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 2:07 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Wolves are in the 135lb range in the wild on the large side.
Even that’s a stretch from what I’m reading. Wiki says wolves weighing over 120 lbs are “uncommon” and that average wolves are ~85 lbs. TIFWIW
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