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re: 300+ Nevada ranchers and militia stage an armed insurrection against the USBLM
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:34 am to boom roasted
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:34 am to boom roasted
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They assumed that the land they were grazing for free would always be free.
and you assume the interstate you drive on is free.
but if the government decided to outlaw that shitty gas-greenhouse-emitting care you use, they will start charging you a 'per mile' fee to discourage and ultimately force you to sell or scrap your car.
there's nothing to see here. bundy is an a-hole.
roads aren't free. stop assuming that.
eta oops. too late
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California’s former Insurance Commissioner Steve Poizner green-lighted per-mile insurance pricing back in 2009 in order to pressure drivers not to drive as much, and no doubt insurance companies will take advantage of the pricing to hike up auto insurance rates just as Obamacare did for health insurance. Rural drivers in particular will be especially hurt as many of them drive long stretches of highway to get to the nearest city.
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 10:36 am
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Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:35 am to CAD703X
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and you assume the interstate you drive on is free.
Swing and a miss. Anyone with half a brain knows our infrastructure is paid for with tax money.
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they will start charging you a 'per mile' fee to discourage and ultimately force you to sell or scrap your car.
Ever heard of the tax on gasoline?
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there's nothing to see here. bundy is an a-hole.
No argument there.
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roads aren't free. stop assuming that.
No one does.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:38 am to LNCHBOX
see my post above. the government is the bully. they have the gun to your head.
if hillary clinton goes into office and decides cars are hurting desert turtles she simply will pass restrictive fees to make you stop.
i'm so glad you willingly take up for the government. i don't think they need your help.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:38 am to CAD703X
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see my post above.
Your post above is bullshite. No one except for idiots thinks roads are free.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:42 am to LNCHBOX
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Your post above is bullshite. No one except for idiots thinks roads are free.
i'm done. you are siding with the government who could at any time come along and decide something you do, they don't like.
your house is in the way of a new highway? guess what..they'll just take it.
you have a car that uses a type of freon they dont like? they'll fine you.
you think its ok to smoke? sure, just start paying $10 a pack for cigarettes because 'its not good for your health' so you're being punished by paying more.
where does it end?
oh yeah, complete control of your thoughts & behavior.
but i see you've already arrived there, lnchbox.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:43 am to CAD703X
quote:No I don't. Part of my taxes is supposed to be for road maintenance.
and you assume the interstate you drive on is free.
ETA: And let's stay on topic. We're talking about Bundy and his belief that the land should be free to graze forever. Regardless of who owns it and what they want to use it for.
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 10:46 am
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:51 am to CAD703X
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so because fatcat congressman reid is lining his pockets (or his son's pockets) by calling in the federal markers on lands used by cattlemen for over a century its ok to you?
the beneficary here is CHINA (and the politicians who take the money)
the losers are the american ranchers who sold their farms and have to find a new way to support their family because they were 'shortsighted' and thought the land they had use of for the prior 100 years and was needed for them to remain solvent would always be there.
yeah, you can blame the rancher for believing they could use this land in perpetuity but when you look at how they were railroaded by a bunch of enviroWACKO lobbyists and a corrupt politican to support a FOREIGN NATION coming in and basically usurping these rights..it kinda smells.
The Chinese project has been cancelled for about a year, but really I don't care what the project is for.
I'm generally ok with the federal government developing or not developing its land, and letting or not letting people use it.
Would you support armed resistance if President Romney was ok with Exxon leasing and drilling on this land? Or with Keystone XL passing through it?
I mean, Bundy's great-great-grandpa's cows might have walked on it back when slavery was legal and women couldn't vote, so it would be unfair to change things now...(Granted in that situation there would certainly be a bunch of liberals making that argument, but its still a bad argument)
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 10:53 am
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:54 am to deSandman
if you don't see the full picture here its because you're deliberately trying not to.
the story here is the bully (government) with the help of a consortium of about 10-15 environmental wacko conservation groups PLUS the congressman from NEVADA wants to get rid of an onery hold-out cattle rancher.
they'll eventually win because as you point out, the rancher's great great great great great grandad should never have allowed his cows to walk across the desert & cross the imaginary boundary to FEDERAL LANDS
the story here is the bully (government) with the help of a consortium of about 10-15 environmental wacko conservation groups PLUS the congressman from NEVADA wants to get rid of an onery hold-out cattle rancher.
they'll eventually win because as you point out, the rancher's great great great great great grandad should never have allowed his cows to walk across the desert & cross the imaginary boundary to FEDERAL LANDS
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 10:56 am
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:56 am to CAD703X
Big picture: They want the land to make money. Bundy isn't making them any money.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:57 am to CAD703X
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if you don't see the full picture here its because you're deliberately trying not to.
Says the guy that is OK with people just choosing to ignore laws.
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the story here is the bully (government) with the help of a consortium of about 10-15 environmental wacko conservation groups PLUS the congressman from NEVADA wants to get rid of an onery hold-out cattle rancher.
And that rancher has given them 20 years worth of legal ammo to do so. That's on him, not fed gov.
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they'll eventually win because as you point out, the rancher's great great great great great grandad should never have allowed his cows to walk across the desert & cross the imaginary boundary to FEDERAL LANDS
Or maybe he should have just kept paying the fees that allowed his cattle to grave on land he didn't own. Really crazy notion, right?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:57 am to boom roasted
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Big picture: They want the land to make money. Bundy isn't making them any money.
almost.
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Big picture: They want the land to make money FOR WASHINGTON POLITICIANS. Bundy isn't making them any money.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:58 am to CAD703X
The money wouldn't go to the federal government?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:59 am to LNCHBOX
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Says the guy that is OK with people just choosing to ignore laws.
are you against someone who ignores the law?
then we're both on the same page with the thousands of illegal aliens we've arrested committing crimes and should send them home.
what TPOS would ignore that law?
oh..the president.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:00 am to boom roasted
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The money wouldn't go to the federal government?
CORRECT! and they'll use it to further study 'climate change' to look for even more says to "make" money
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:03 am to CAD703X
quote:I think I'm getting confused. The money made from the [insert whatever they want to use the land for other than letting someone graze cattle for free] isn't going to the federal government? It's going straight through to the pockets of Washington politicians?
CORRECT! and they'll use it to further study 'climate change' to look for even more says to "make" money
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:04 am to boom roasted
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I think I'm getting confused. The money made from the [insert whatever they want to use the land for other than letting someone graze cattle for free] isn't going to the federal government? It's going straight through to the pockets of Washington politicians?
same thing wouldn't you say?
who is in charge of where that money will go after its been collected?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:04 am to CAD703X
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are you against someone who ignores the law?
Yes.
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then we're both on the same page with the thousands of illegal aliens we've arrested committing crimes and should send them home.
Yes.
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what TPOS would ignore that law?
oh..the president.
I didn't vote for him.
None of that changes my opinion on Bundy.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:08 am to CAD703X
Can we have a conversation without the constant eyerolls and general dickishness? That pisses me off more than anything with anonymity. How about discussing the issue without being condescending pricks?
quote:No, I wouldn't say that. I believe that at least some of it would go back to the people and not end up in an offshore banking acct. shite, if $.01 went back to the people it'd be making more use of the land that it is right now.
same thing wouldn't you say?
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 11:11 am
Posted on 4/17/14 at 11:15 am to hawgfaninc
Now that's funny.
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