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What is ya'lls take on Deuce Mcallister, the RB?

Posted on 11/25/23 at 7:22 pm
Posted by Mushroom1968
Member since Jun 2023
1590 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 7:22 pm
Do ya'll feel he is the best Saint of all time at RB? How do ya'll feel he measures in the history of NFL RBs? He came in to the league with Ricky Williams already being a high draft pick and starter. Seemed smaller and faster but as he aged, got stronger and turned kind of into a power back. Always had good vision, good receiving back, good power and underrated speed.

Always felt like he was the highlight, along with Joe Horn, some defensive players, during some really bad years.

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Posted by ClubTiger
Member since Aug 2005
394 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 7:47 pm to
He’s the best Saints RB then Pierre
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
72031 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 8:02 pm to
quote:

Do ya'll feel he is the best Saint of all time at RB?


The record books say Mark Ingram is the greatest saint RB of all time

Talent wise, it’s Kamara
Posted by pensacola
pensacola
Member since Sep 2005
4629 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 8:14 pm to
He single handedly willed his way to a win in the Philly playoff game.
Posted by Tigerholic
Member since Sep 2006
2214 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 8:30 pm to
It’s him and Dalton. Both complete backs
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64379 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 8:31 pm to
No one will believe me but I always liked Chuck Muncie.

Ironhead, Dalton, PT, MI, AK47 and 2. hard choices
Posted by Suntiger
BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
32967 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 8:39 pm to
quote:

Seemed smaller and faster but as he aged, got stronger and turned kind of into a power back.


He was a punt returner in college.

I remember watching the draft when he was drafted. I. Completely. Lost. It. We already had Ricky Williams and had so many other needs, not to mention he was from Ole Miss. I hated the pick. Long story short, I’m at the Saints game in 2008 watching and cheering on one of my favorite players as he sets the Saints touchdown record against the Packers.

Deuce
A true Saint.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
30361 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 8:40 pm to
quote:

The record books say Mark Ingram is the greatest saint RB of all time

Talent wise, it’s Kamara


True but that'll get you downvotes here.

I love Pierre Thomas and Deuce, But they weren't objectively as good as Ingram or Kamara.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
4280 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 9:33 pm to
2002-2004 deuce was really, really good. The league had guys like priest Holmes and Tomlinson putting up stupid numbers, and others like Jamal Lewis, Shaun Alexander, Clinton portis, Edgerrin James, tiki barber, brian Westbrook so it was hard to get much recognition on a mostly bad team.

And then injuries really took a bite out of his careerz
Posted by 3PieceSpicy
Metairie
Member since Jan 2021
6253 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 9:36 pm to
I don’t think you ever saw Deuce play a game if you are suggesting that Ingram was in any way better than him. With All due respect to Ingram. He was definitely solid.
Posted by DellTronJon
Member since Feb 2010
1288 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 9:48 pm to
Duece ran Ricky Williams out of New Orleans thus putting a dagger into the fleeting life of the Ditka's legacy in New Orleans. It is a stat that will not be in any Saints record books, but it is one that I greatly appreciate.
Posted by lepdagod
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
3405 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 10:13 pm to
AK the best since I’ve been watching (late 80’s)… Deuce second …. Thomas and Bush tied at third
Posted by thenza
Member since Sep 2013
800 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 10:47 pm to
quote:

Seemed smaller and faster but as he aged, got stronger and turned kind of into a power back.


He was 6’1”, 225 lbs.

I’d say talent-wise, he’s the best Saints running back I’ve ever seen. Kamara at 2.

That’s not a slight to Kamara. He’s as good as anyone in the NFL today. But Deuce would still be great in this era. I think Kamara would be relegated to a third down back in a pre-spread offense era. Again, not because he isn’t great. You just had to be bigger then. Deuce had that size, but also the ability to outrun defenders on a screen.
Posted by bountyhunter
North of Houston a bit
Member since Mar 2012
6336 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 11:34 pm to
Deuce is my favorite Saints RB (and favorite Saints player not named Drew), then Hilliard but mostly because I'm also an LSU fan. I think Kamara is unique because he plays the position so much differently than those guys, you could make the argument that the HB of the 80s and 90s is a fullback by modern NFL standards. You can't really get a job at a receiver-eligible position in the NFL unless you can reliably catch the football. The FB that the Saints have is the obvious outlier here.
This post was edited on 11/25/23 at 11:39 pm
Posted by Marrero
Member since Dec 2021
285 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 11:38 pm to
Who will end his career without a single 1000 yard season to say he’s so great
Posted by bountyhunter
North of Houston a bit
Member since Mar 2012
6336 posts
Posted on 11/25/23 at 11:45 pm to
Ingram is one of those statistically-deceiving players in my opinion. I still like him and think he's definitely one of the really good Saints players in franchise history. The facts are he was drafted too early (not his fault), he had some nagging injuries early in his career (not his fault) so it seemed like his adjustment to the NFL took a bit long. Once he put it together he was really good. I always liked his personality and seemed like a great locker room asset.

The contract situation that detoured him to Baltimore and Houston was disappointing, but everything I've heard about that situation indicates he got some really bad advice from his agent. I also think he never should have been traded back to us, that was a really stupid deal on the part of the Saints.
This post was edited on 11/25/23 at 11:48 pm
Posted by SportsGuyNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since May 2014
17048 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 1:28 am to
quote:

Do ya'll feel he is the best Saint of all time at RB?


Yes
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
30361 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 7:27 am to
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I don’t think you ever saw Deuce play a game if you are suggesting that Ingram was in any way better than him. With All due respect to Ingram. He was definitely solid.




I have seen every running back the Saints have had since Michael Strachan.

Deuce and Ingram were very similar backs to me, I just think Mark was a little bit better but I could easily see someone flipping that. Ingram had the benefit of playing in the Sean Payton/Drew Brees era for the bulk of his Saints career. And since these assessments are always really subjective, I have no issues if someone thinks Duece/Thomas was better.


I think maybe you could make a good case for Pierre Thomas moving into the top two. He was never flashy but just put up rock-solid numbers his whole career. But he also benefitted from playing exclusively during the Payton/Brees era.

All 4 were great players for the Saints.

Posted by carrguitar
Member since Oct 2014
738 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 7:42 am to
I don’t know if he’s the best from a pure talent/production standpoint considering the blessing of guys we’ve had since (Kamara, Ingram, even Bush has talent argument)….but Deuce was a beast. He was that dude when I first was old enough to really watch football and he’s part of the reason I love the Saints so deeply.

Someone else said it earlier, he was from a different era as well. Not to sound like an old man yelling at clouds, but he was one of the last true -running- backs. His job was to take a handoff, put his head down, and run over someone. And he was damn good at it.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
27568 posts
Posted on 11/26/23 at 7:51 am to
Muncie was a bonafide beast. He could run past you, around you and if need be, through you......mostly on cocaine, but still, an edge is an edge.
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