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There's a right -- and wrong -- time and place.

Posted on 6/3/20 at 9:38 pm
Posted by Zachary
Member since Jan 2007
1636 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 9:38 pm
Putting aside entirely the merit of the protests, there's a time and a place for everything, and I believe kneeling at the precise moment of the national anthem is the wrong time and place. There are two reasons:

First, doing it during the anthem interferes with what is a solemn and reverred experience for many Americans. I may have something important to say, but I would not interrupt someone else's solemn moment (e.g., a funeral) to speak my mind. I would wait for another time. These athletes have huge platforms and can speak with press coverage at almost any other time. It is my opinion they should do it at other times.

I believe America is the greatest country in history. It has drawn, and continues to draw, people from all over the globe seeking a better, and freer, life. Less than 100 years after breaking from English rule, it saw thousands of citizens spill blood to free the South of slavery. Relatives of mine marched through Europe and flew missions over Japan in World War II and were awarded purple hearts in Vietnam. When the latter returned from Vietnam, they were spat upon back home. But America is not a crowd spitting in 1969 or a cop in Minnesota in 2020. It is an idea, and an ideal. It is the idea that all people are equal, and that our rights are innate rather than granted by any government or anyone else. America is not perfect, but nothing on this planet is. I love this country, and when it appears the guys on the field feel the opposite, I don't enjoy the game.

Second (and perhaps less importantly), the players are employees and should not distract from the product they're hired to put on the field. A waiter may want to approach the patrons at one of his tables and preach politics, but his patrons may not want to hear it, and his boss thus may not want him to. I don't want politics in my sports.

I apologize for the length of this. I've never posted anything anywhere near this long.


This post was edited on 6/3/20 at 9:41 pm
Posted by mightyjet
New Orleans, La
Member since Nov 2007
434 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 9:41 pm to
I hear you and your wrong
Posted by lepdagod
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
3395 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 9:57 pm to
quote:

A waiter may want to approach the patrons at one of his tables and preach politics, but his patrons may not want to hear it, and his boss thus may not want him to. I don't want politics in my sports.


Terrible analogy... Players not approaching fans during the game and talking politics... that’s the equivalent to the example you gave...
Posted by Zachary
Member since Jan 2007
1636 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:06 pm to
I disagree. The analogy is valid in that in both instances the patrons are paying for one thing yet the employees are attempting to inject unsolicited political discussion into the provision of the product. The act of "approaching" or not is not the point.
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72679 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:10 pm to
right. they can do their own protest on their own time whatever their cause du jour is whether selective or non selective outrage.

Posted by lepdagod
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
3395 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:31 pm to
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The act of "approaching" or not is not the point.


Actually it is ... the waiter would be out of line approaching your table with a political discussion... as would a football player during the game... no ones paying to hear the National Anthem before the game...

It’s the same as you not wanting the waiter to serve you because of his political beliefs outside of the restaurant...
Posted by luckylefty
new orleans
Member since May 2009
2727 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:34 pm to
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Second (and perhaps less importantly), the players are employees and should not distract from the product they're hired to put on the field.


It's not going away until this problem is addressed.

Get used to it.
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
Member since Mar 2009
127413 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:36 pm to
Try to learn how protests work. They weren’t meant to make you comfortable.
Posted by Zachary
Member since Jan 2007
1636 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:51 pm to
I don't have to study protests to know that people disrespecting the anthem are disrespecting the dear feelings of a whole lot of people.

Furthermore, you're making one of my points: People do NOT pay to watch sports so that they can be uncomfortable.
Posted by 50_Tiger
Dallas TX
Member since Jan 2016
40103 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:53 pm to
I DONT GIVE A frick


Everyone's opinions (right or wrong) MATTER.

AND I MEASURE A MAN BY HIS ACTIONS, NOT HIS frickING TWEETS.

frick EVERYONE WHO SAID frick DREW BREES.

This man literally helped heal a fricking city after its worse disaster ever.

THIS IS THE THANKS HE GETS
Posted by Zachary
Member since Jan 2007
1636 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:56 pm to
He's given so much to the community-- even when the cameras were off.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 11:51 pm to
Agree with your posts, also was the wrong time for Drew to discuss his position on the issue.
Posted by The Midnight Rider
Where the River Empties
Member since May 2015
1576 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:04 am to
There is a right time and place to give your honest, unflinching opinion that someone who kneels during the national anthem as a symbol of speaking out against systemic racism/inequality and police brutality is wrong and you will never support them.

Today was not that time. That interview was not the place.

Drew was wrong to answer the way he did, and he let a lot of his teammates down, as well as a majority of the population of New Orleans.

Your inability to apply your own reasoning to the situation at hand is alarming, but unsurprising.

Your inability to empathize is what is abhorrent.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47633 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:33 am to
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as well as a majority of the population of New Orleans.
disingenuous motherfricker. Saints fans live all over
Posted by Morgus
The Old City Icehouse
Member since May 2004
9121 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 4:07 am to
Whether someone thinks it's the appropriate time or not, concluding that someone who doesn't can't possibly support your cause in any way or actually stands in opposition to you is absolutely insane.

Drew does a million things they like but if he thinks theres ONE minute each Sunday when he won't join in a protest he must hate them?????

Posted by The Midnight Rider
Where the River Empties
Member since May 2015
1576 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 7:44 am to
quote:

disingenuous motherfricker. Saints fans live all over

This is true. What is also true is that a literal MAJORITY of NOLA’s population is black. Do you not know that? You read my statement looking for something to disagree with, rather than to understand, empathize, and move forward. Who is being disingenuous here?
Posted by Hazelnut
Member since May 2011
16433 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 8:05 am to
quote:

First, doing it during the anthem interferes with what is a solemn and reverred experience for many Americans. I may have something important to say, but I would not interrupt someone else's solemn moment (e.g., a funeral) to speak my mind.

Okay now imagine you are one of them. You don't feel this experience with the anthem. And you don't feel it or pride in your country in general because you see yours and other human rights being violated and at the time, no one else seems to care about that.

quote:

I don't want politics in my sports.

How is this still politics? How is this not beyond politics after all the stuff that has transpired the last week? It's just basic human fricking rights being violated. We should all be fighting against that. That kind of fight is literally what this country was built on.

And when we hear that fellow citizens are having those rights violated, we should be outraged about that. Not about how they are trying to get our attention about it

This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 8:07 am
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
8834 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 8:40 am to
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It's not going away until this problem is addressed. Get used to it.


We will see what wins out when fans quit going to the games and the money well dries up. NFL lost a lot of money last time and when the players start getting their cars repossessed and homes foreclosed on, we will see how strong their political beliefs are.....
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 8:41 am
Posted by Zachary
Member since Jan 2007
1636 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:43 am to
It appears he answered a question honestly. He was not "wrong."
Posted by Paul Maul number 37
Member since Feb 2009
1111 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 10:43 am to
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And when we hear that fellow citizens are having those rights violated, we should be outraged about that. Not about how they are trying to get our attention about it
Why does the death of a black man trigger this response? White men are also killed by the police yet we have no call for justice from the black community when this occurs. That it happens only when a black man is supposedly killed unjustly by a cop says a lot more about the problem of racism coming from the black community towards whites. We still don't have all the facts to be able to determine what actually happened to Floyd yet cities have burned and people have been killed and injured by a childish out of control mob of ignorant easy to mislead fools. Stop being tools of the leftist who want to destroy this country.

Sorry, I can't identify with this response in a nation that is built on democracy and being represented rather than mob rule. If you like mob rule, remember that there are a lot more white folks in this country than black folks. Those who support the riots have a choice to make. Democracy, or mob rule. Choose wisely, my friend, because if mob rules becomes the way, those leftist who encouraged it's arrival won't stick around for the fight, just you.
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