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Seems to me by NFL rules Colston scored.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 5:37 am
Posted on 11/9/09 at 5:37 am
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8. A forward pass is complete when a receiver clearly possesses the pass and touches the ground with both feet inbounds while in possession of the ball.
He clearly had possesion with two feet in while going to the ground but the ball came loose after hitting the turf. How was that not overturned?
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Posted on 11/9/09 at 6:02 am to jpggpj
hey guess what...
the Saints won
the Saints won
Posted on 11/9/09 at 6:25 am to jpggpj
Because anytime a player is going to the ground he must maintain posession of the ball after hitting the ground. Same thing on a catch along the sidelines. Two feet in bounds and posession after hitting the ground.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 7:04 am to marvin82
This is why it was a dumb challenge. If a receiver hits the ground or gets hit, he must maintain possession pretty much until he stands up and hands the ball to the refs.
This is not a brand new rule.
This is not a brand new rule.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 7:12 am to jpggpj
Hey, I'm as big a Saints "homer" there is and I don't have a problem with the call. I've watched the play several times and he didn't have possession, as per NFL rules...period.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 8:13 am to marvin82
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Posted on 11/9/09 at 8:16 am to jpggpj
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Because anytime a player is going to the ground he must maintain posession of the ball after hitting the ground.
Really, but the ground cannot cause a fumble. He had posession but the ground knocked it out his hands. I'm not bitching about the call, I just really wanted to understand the rule better. Posession was definetly established so I was just curious why it was called incomplete.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 8:18 am to jpggpj
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Really, but the ground cannot cause a fumble
correct, once the ball is controlled by a player. Colston did not have complete control of that ball while in the air
Posted on 11/9/09 at 8:19 am to jpggpj
I was at the game and the other coaches were telling Peyton to put the flag up, then Brees talked him into it. Brees can talk him into anything.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 8:23 am to charlottetiger
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correct, once the ball is controlled by a player. Colston did not have complete control of that ball while in the air
I disagree here. I watched it at home and paused the replay. After watching it in slow motion Colston NEVER bobbled the ball AT ALL. He had COMPLETE control all the way down. It really wasn't even close to being bobbled, that was why I asked the question. If the reason it was called incomplete is because they are saying he didn't have control going down then I understand (although it is inaccurate) but I was trying to learn more about the rule itself with the ground knocking it out of his hands.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 8:24 am to bensonboogie
don't know what game you were watching, but he only got 1 foot in, and as he came down, he lost possession. besides, the only thing that matters is that we won. 8-0!
Posted on 11/9/09 at 8:25 am to bensonboogie
I can't remember what game it was, maybe Colts, or Falcons, I think it was reggie wayne, this same exact thing happened and it was challenged, and called a TD.
The ball immediately flew out his hands when he landed.
The problem with this challenge is Peyton called a TF, THEN challanged. losing 2 TO's
The ball immediately flew out his hands when he landed.
The problem with this challenge is Peyton called a TF, THEN challanged. losing 2 TO's
Posted on 11/9/09 at 8:27 am to bensonboogie
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Peyton to put the flag up, then Brees talked him into it. Brees can talk him into anything.
I've noticed this too. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I think whether Brees thought he made the catch or not it was a good way to show confidence in your receiver even when he's having a bad day. Although I wasn't happy at how the whole thing went down. If you're leaning to challenging I don't see why you call time-out right before and waste 2 time-outs. But when this is the worst decision you can pick out of the game, it shows that its great to be a Saints fan.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 8:27 am to Hank Marducas
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don't know what game you were watching, but he only got 1 foot in, and as he came down, he lost possession.
I watched the Carolina game and it was a big deal at the time with everyone so we paused and replayed it during the commercial break. I assure you he had both feet in and total control. I wanted to know if the rule was different for WRs when coming down with the ball and the ground knocking it out of his hands.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 8:27 am to jpggpj
Watched the replay several times and it was interesting. Colston did have control, imo. it was just that he was holding the ball with his two hands extended. when he hit the ground the ball came out. had he been able to tuck the ball more, may have gotten the call. it was close.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 8:29 am to bensonboogie
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I was at the game and the other coaches were telling Peyton to put the flag up, then Brees talked him into it. Brees can talk him into anything.
Incorrect. I was watching on TV. Brees ran over to try to save the timeout because Payton had a brain fart and called timeout 10 seconds before challenging. All he had to do was throw the red flag and we'd have had the challenge and not had to call timeout to stop the playclock.
Payton had the flag out and was walking toward the ref before Brees ever said a word.
And on topic, it was the right call on the field.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 8:32 am to Hank Marducas
If he would have caught it in the middle of the field it still would not have been a catch. The player has to carry the ball through contact with the ground for it to be considered possession.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 8:38 am to Putty
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Incorrect. I was watching on TV. Brees ran over to try to save the timeout because Payton had a brain fart and called timeout 10 seconds before challenging. All he had to do was throw the red flag and we'd have had the challenge and not had to call timeout to stop the playclock.
Payton had the flag out and was walking toward the ref before Brees ever said a word.
And on topic, it was the right call on the field.
Yeah, my seats were pretty high up. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Colston wasn't himself out there.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 8:40 am to CWilken21
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The player has to carry the ball through contact with the ground for it to be considered possession.
This is what I was looking for. This makes sense to me considering the play. I reall just wanted to understand or know the rule with WRs making catches concerning the ground knocking it out of their posession.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 8:48 am to jpggpj
For me, the rule seems silly.
Let's say a running back was diving across the goal line with his arm stretched out... the second the ball crosses the plane, it's a td... it doesn't matter if the ball is fumbled out of his hands a split second later.
Let's say a running back was diving across the goal line with his arm stretched out... the second the ball crosses the plane, it's a td... it doesn't matter if the ball is fumbled out of his hands a split second later.
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