re: Revisiting Your Saints Big Board

Posted by FootballNostradamus

Member since Nov 2009

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Posted on 4/6/17 at 12:22 pm to blueslover

quote:
The purpose is establishing a Saints big board not an overall generic big board

If we truly believe in BPA (like so many of us ascribe to and constantly harp upon) then what's the difference?

Posted by Chad504boy

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Posted on 4/6/17 at 12:25 pm to rmnldr

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That's a great draft

mcdowell's stock has dropped and its a non need position being invested in fairley, Rankins, Davidson, Oneyamata

we can do so much better than white at 11.

Posted by rmnldr

Member since Oct 2013

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Posted on 4/6/17 at 12:28 pm to Chad504boy

This isn't who I think they'll actually get. This is a combination of my personal opinion of the players and the needs of the Saints.

White is worthy of the 11th pick IMO but we need a DE more

Malik McDowell would start over Sheldon Rankins as a rookie.

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Posted by Chad504boy

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Posted on 4/6/17 at 12:29 pm to rmnldr

quote:
This is a combination of my personal opinion of the players and the needs of the Saints.

based on your saints board, those are the players that would be drafted with 99% certainty.

Posted by blueslover

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Posted on 4/6/17 at 12:31 pm to Chad504boy

we don't use those type backs enough to justify a #11 IMO. Reggie at #2 was a perfect example. I don't count him as a failure in any way as a Saint. His performance did not live up to #2 pick status however. I only put Fournette on the board because he is a type that can carry an offense with his workload. It would take some adjustment of scheme to utilize him enough here though. The more Brees might be gone sooner over later the more Fournette would appeal.

Only 3 times since 2006 has a RB reached 200 carries here. A top half of the first round RB to me needs to at least approach 300 carries to justify the pick. Like Elliot last year with 322 or Adrian Peterson who is right at 20 carries per game over his career.

Posted by rmnldr

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Posted on 4/6/17 at 12:33 pm to Chad504boy

quote:
based on your saints board, those are the players that would be drafted with 99% certainty.

Good

As I said, I think that's a great draft.

Posted by blueslover

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Posted on 4/6/17 at 12:52 pm to rmnldr

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If we truly believe in BPA (like so many of us ascribe to and constantly harp upon) then what's the difference?

No team has the same exact big board. Need is impossible to discount altogether. For the Saints I rank Lattimore over Fournette even though Fournette might be better. For some teams Trubisky or Watson might make their top 10. The Saints Big Board might have several defensive linemen or DBs that rank higher than the top WRs this year. In real life there is no single big board like on draft sites.

Posted by Lester Earl

Member since Nov 2003

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Posted on 4/6/17 at 1:03 pm to blueslover

1 Garrett
2 Soloman Thomas
3 jonathan allen
4 marshon lattimore
5 malik hooker
6 oj howard
7 jamal adams
8 reuben foster
9 Gareon Conley
10 Haason Reddick
11 Barnett

Posted by Rand AlThor

Member since Jan 2014

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Posted on 4/6/17 at 1:23 pm to Chad504boy

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we don't feature backs enough.

Pretty sure Payton would find a way to fit him. I imagine it would be a mix of Sproles, Bush, PT23 & current Ingram.

Posted by ST3PH3N

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Member since Aug 2012

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Posted on 4/6/17 at 2:00 pm to blueslover

1. Jamal Adams
2. Myles Garrett
3. Malik Hooker
4. Solomon Thomas
5. Marshon Lattimore
6. Leonard Fournette
7. Reuben Foster
8. TJ Watt
9. Derek Barnett
10. Tre'Davious White
11. Jonathan Allen

I hope we land Reuben Foster (if character checks out. I cant interview him), or TJ Watt. Sure, mock drafts have Watt going much later, but mock drafts are often wrong. TJ Watt is a tremendous athlete with a high floor and high ceiling, which is exactly what you want when picking in or near the top 10.

Watt may only have 1 year under his belt at the position, but, in that year, he had more sacks, more tackles for a loss, and more total tackles than Taco Charlton (also in the Big 10). On top of that, add a JJ Watt-style pick-6.

Posted by bubbz

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Posted on 4/6/17 at 2:20 pm to blueslover

1. Garrett
2. Thomas
3. Lattimore
4. Adams
5. Allen
6. Foster
7. Hooker
8. Barnett
9. Taco
10. Conley
11. White/Adoree

I did not put any offensive players in my top 11, because I feel our offense is top notch. If we don't address our defense, we are in for another 7-9/8-8 team. I believe both 1st round picks have to be defense. Drafting Fournette while he is a great offensive talent, doesn't do shite for our defense. I also think if one of the OT's drop to 32, we would have to look at getting Strief's replacement at some point.

Posted by blueslover

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Posted on 4/6/17 at 3:39 pm to bubbz

Several of these I like. What is most different for me is that I do not see another CB being #11 good after Lattimore. Around #20 to 42 there is a shitton of them though.

Hard for me to see putting Fournette down past #11 too. We picked Deuce after Ricky Williams had a thousand yard season is the best way to illustrate that. He is a must pick in value over all but five others on my board. Not that anyone thinks he could drop that far but this is what teams must do to rank every player in the event the unexpected happens.

Posted by SlowurRole

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Posted on 4/6/17 at 5:03 pm to rmnldr

quote:
Malik McDowell would start over Sheldon Rankins as a rookie.

Hahaha smoke another one

Posted by BILLFISHER22

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Member since Oct 2009

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Posted on 4/6/17 at 9:02 pm to Chad504boy

quote:
quote:
He would be absolutely unstoppable in our offense.

we don't feature backs enough.

Not since DS was traded, but he'd bring that aspect back to life.

Posted by djmicrobe

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Posted on 4/6/17 at 9:31 pm to blueslover

01 Garrett
02 Thomas
03 Adams
04 Fournette
05 Hooker
06 Lattimore
07 Watson
08 Ross
09 Allen
10 Taco
11 Foster

Posted by rmnldr

Member since Oct 2013

38229 posts

Posted on 4/6/17 at 10:59 pm to SlowurRole

quote:
Hahaha smoke another one

Malik McDowell will be a better DT than Sheldon Rankins...

This isn't groundbreaking. Rankins is ridiculously overrated.

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Posted by GMoney2600

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Posted on 4/8/17 at 4:38 am to rmnldr

Not considering a QB & WR. Didn't want to include a RB, but Fournette is just too talented(same with OJ Howard at TE). I think Adams is a top 3-4 talent, but we don't really need a 3rd SS(I think it's silly to think he could play FS in the NFL at an elite level). I left off Jonathan Allen b/c I don't think he fits what we need in our defense(just like Malik McDowell)...he's easily a top 10 talent though.

1 - DE Myles Garrett
2 - DE Solomon Thomas
3 - FS Malik Hooker
4 - CB Marshon Lattimore
5 - DE Derek Barnett
6 - SS Jamal Adams - If we do draft him & he pans out, I doubt we would re-sign Vaccaro...unless Vonn Bell is ready to assume the FS role.
7 - LB Haasan Reddick
8 - LB Reuben Foster
9 - RB Leonard Fournette - Pretty high ranking considering how devalued the RB position is.
10 - DE Taco Charlton
11 - TE OJ Howard

The guys that just missed the list for me are CB Gareon Conley, CB Tre White, & DE TJ Watt. Obviously, I'm targeting defense at #11.

This post was edited on 4/8/17 at 5:35 am

Posted by GMoney2600

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Posted on 4/8/17 at 5:16 am to rmnldr

quote:
Malik McDowell will be a better DT than Sheldon Rankins...

Maybe

quote:
This isn't groundbreaking. Rankins is ridiculously overrated.

Kind of an unfair statement. He was injured to start the year, then played in the 1st game that he was eligible for. His play against the run was subpar, but he provided a great pass rush from the interior. 4 sacks in 9 games as a rookie. The pressure from the interior was pretty constant with him & Fairley.

If he improves his run defense...he could be extremely good. Thankfully we have Fairley & Davison(for running downs), while Rankins is still developing.

This post was edited on 4/8/17 at 5:20 am