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reggie bush is not a bust.
Posted on 10/7/08 at 9:17 am
Posted on 10/7/08 at 9:17 am
Everyone rightfully fawned over Bush's amazing all-around game in college, but while making big play after big play at USC he struck me as ill-suited to be a true every-down back. A measly 3.7-yard average on 376 pro carries has hammered home those concerns, yet my opinion of Bush has actually risen quite a bit since his college days.
Bush may never be a great running back in the way that most people traditionally view the position, but coach Sean Payton has created an offense that allows him to thrive as a pass-catcher. Bush now has 199 catches in 33 career games and many of those grabs have essentially been extended handoffs. In other words, a 3.7-yard average on his carries doesn't begin to tell the story of Bush's impact.
If you combine his carries and catches Bush has totaled 86 yards and 0.6 scores per game for his career while averaging 4.9 yards per touch. Even factoring in his work as a receiver that isn't the type of per-play impact people expected after seeing him at USC, but Bush is a perfect fit for Payton's unique attack and gives the Saints five yards per touch while getting the ball 18 times per game.
Plus, as Bush showed the Vikings he can also do some things as a return man. Payton has limited Bush's opportunities on special teams, but he's now scored on four of his 40 career punt returns while averaging 12.3 yards per chance. By comparison, Devin Hester has scored on seven of his 100 career punt returns while averaging 13.1 ya rds per run back.
I've come full circle on Bush, viewing him as a clearly flawed NFL prospect while at USC, confirming that opinion with his annual struggles running the ball for the Saints, and then gradually coming to realize that the things he does well greatly outweigh his inability to be a prototypical running back. He may never shake the "bust" label in some quarters, but he's long since shed that tag in my mind.
-Aaron Gleeman
Bush may never be a great running back in the way that most people traditionally view the position, but coach Sean Payton has created an offense that allows him to thrive as a pass-catcher. Bush now has 199 catches in 33 career games and many of those grabs have essentially been extended handoffs. In other words, a 3.7-yard average on his carries doesn't begin to tell the story of Bush's impact.
If you combine his carries and catches Bush has totaled 86 yards and 0.6 scores per game for his career while averaging 4.9 yards per touch. Even factoring in his work as a receiver that isn't the type of per-play impact people expected after seeing him at USC, but Bush is a perfect fit for Payton's unique attack and gives the Saints five yards per touch while getting the ball 18 times per game.
Plus, as Bush showed the Vikings he can also do some things as a return man. Payton has limited Bush's opportunities on special teams, but he's now scored on four of his 40 career punt returns while averaging 12.3 yards per chance. By comparison, Devin Hester has scored on seven of his 100 career punt returns while averaging 13.1 ya rds per run back.
I've come full circle on Bush, viewing him as a clearly flawed NFL prospect while at USC, confirming that opinion with his annual struggles running the ball for the Saints, and then gradually coming to realize that the things he does well greatly outweigh his inability to be a prototypical running back. He may never shake the "bust" label in some quarters, but he's long since shed that tag in my mind.
-Aaron Gleeman
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Posted on 10/7/08 at 9:27 am to rmcc316
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but coach Sean Payton has created an offense that allows him to thrive as a pass-catcher
usually you hear about defenses having to gameplan for an offensive player...it's awkward to think of an offense having to gameplan for its own player every week
and bush isn't a bust, but he hasn't lived up to the hype or his salary. he was never a "bust" b/c busts don't do shite
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but he's now scored on four of his 40 career punt returns while averaging 12.3 yards per chance. By comparison, Devin Hester has scored on seven of his 100 career punt returns while averaging 13.1 ya rds per run back.
see the average tells more than the rate of scoring per touch
hester is the main PR. he calls fair catch all the time. i wonder what the stat is for % of non-fair-caught balls is
Posted on 10/7/08 at 9:29 am to rmcc316
Reggie makes the Saints one of the most exciting teams in the NFL.
Posted on 10/7/08 at 9:32 am to Rockerbraves
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Reggie makes the Saints one of the most exciting teams in the NFL
so does gramatica, sorta
Posted on 10/7/08 at 9:33 am to rmcc316
he's not a bust, but a disappointment relative to his college hype and draft position.
Posted on 10/7/08 at 9:34 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:You mean like teams do against Reggie Bush?
usually you hear about defenses having to gameplan for an offensive player
quote:So a coach should run a specific offensive system regardless of personnel? Ask Rich Rodriguez how that's working out.
it's awkward to think of an offense having to gameplan for its own player every week
You give the ball to your best players. How the frick is that awkward? They're called "adjustments."
Posted on 10/7/08 at 9:34 am to el tigre
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disappointment relative to his college hype and draft position.
He kinda said so himself in that interview they played during the game.
ETA: I wouldn't consider him a bust, fwiw.
This post was edited on 10/7/08 at 9:35 am
Posted on 10/7/08 at 9:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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usually you hear about defenses having to gameplan for an offensive player...it's awkward to think of an offense having to gameplan for its own player every week
huh? why is that strange? every team in sports formulates their gameplan around their top players.
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and bush isn't a bust, but he hasn't lived up to the hype or his salary. he was never a "bust" b/c busts don't do shite
you are still looking him as a typical running back, which he clearly isn't.
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see the average tells more than the rate of scoring per touch
and their nearly identical
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hester is the main PR. he calls fair catch all the time. i wonder what the stat is for % of non-fair-caught balls is
who cares?
Posted on 10/7/08 at 9:35 am to bballingenyus23
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You mean like teams do against Reggie Bush?
in 2006? yes
in 2007/2008? naw
Posted on 10/7/08 at 9:35 am to Towelie
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so does gramatica, sorta
Posted on 10/7/08 at 9:37 am to el tigre
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but a disappointment relative to his college hype and draft position.
No thats VY
Posted on 10/7/08 at 9:38 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Yeah, Reggie's an afterthought to opposing defenses.
in 2007/2008? naw
They're stopping Brees instead.
Posted on 10/7/08 at 9:38 am to barry
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No thats VY
No VY is a BUST
SFP in 3....2.....1
Posted on 10/7/08 at 9:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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in 2007/2008? naw
are you delusional or really just don't have the capability to admit when you are wrong?
Posted on 10/7/08 at 9:45 am to el tigre
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he's not a bust, but a disappointment relative to his college hype and draft position
I would agree, but add that he is a big offensive disapointment, not bust. He thinks too much, instead of reacting.
Posted on 10/7/08 at 9:45 am to el tigre
Don't remember a player receiving more hype coming into the NFL than Reggie.
Reggie probably sells more tickets & merchandise than Michael Vick used to.
Reggie probably sells more tickets & merchandise than Michael Vick used to.
Posted on 10/7/08 at 9:47 am to SlowFlowPro
doing one quick google search found this:
Coach Mike Nolan said this morning that his defense will have to play a game of “Where’s Reggie?” before every snap.
“I think it’s important right now to find out where he is on every play,” Nolan said. “What we treat him as is kind of irrelevant.
“Everybody has to know where he is at all times because he does line up in the backfield, he lines up strong side, weak side and he’s very active in the offense.”
Bush, a running back, leads the NFL with 26 receptions. He also has two receiving touchdowns with a long of 42.
Bush has 1,409 receiving yards over his 31 games. It’s the second highest total among running backs during that span, trailing only Brian Westbrook (1,516).
Overall this season, Bush is third in the NFL in yards from scrimmage with 402. (The 49ers’ Frank Gore has 412 and the Bears’ Matt Forte has 409.) The Saints line him up all over the field, including split wide.
“Reggie’s has done all of the same things — but more of it,” Nolan said.
Coach Mike Nolan said this morning that his defense will have to play a game of “Where’s Reggie?” before every snap.
“I think it’s important right now to find out where he is on every play,” Nolan said. “What we treat him as is kind of irrelevant.
“Everybody has to know where he is at all times because he does line up in the backfield, he lines up strong side, weak side and he’s very active in the offense.”
Bush, a running back, leads the NFL with 26 receptions. He also has two receiving touchdowns with a long of 42.
Bush has 1,409 receiving yards over his 31 games. It’s the second highest total among running backs during that span, trailing only Brian Westbrook (1,516).
Overall this season, Bush is third in the NFL in yards from scrimmage with 402. (The 49ers’ Frank Gore has 412 and the Bears’ Matt Forte has 409.) The Saints line him up all over the field, including split wide.
“Reggie’s has done all of the same things — but more of it,” Nolan said.
Posted on 10/7/08 at 9:53 am to rmcc316
the redskins seem to care too:
The Redskins intend to focus on Bush today when they play host to New Orleans in their FedEx Field opener. Much of Washington's defensive plan involves the third-year player, who had an impressive performance in the Saints' season-opening victory over Tampa Bay, defensive coordinator Greg Blache said. The Saints' productive offense, however, also presents other challenges to a defense with several key members slowed because of injuries and whose personnel might not be suited for the basic approach Blache used in Washington's opening loss to the New York Giants.
In a 24-20 victory over the Buccaneers, Bush rushed for 51 yards on 14 carries and had game-highs with eight receptions for 112 yards. With 7 minutes 35 seconds remaining in the fourth quarter, Bush caught a swing pass from quarterback Drew Brees and outran defenders for a 42-yard touchdown that provided the go-ahead score. And with leading wide receiver Marques Colston sidelined after thumb surgery, Brees could rely on Bush even more.
Bush lines up in the backfield, in the slot and out wide, "and he can do whatever they ask him to do," strong safety Reed Doughty said. "He can do the swings, he can do the screens, and he can be a receiver. He's got the talent to do it all."
The Redskins are not in the best position physically to contend with someone so versatile. Linebacker Rocky McIntosh is working back into form after having season-ending reconstructive knee surgery in 2007. Marcus Washington (hamstring, hip) missed most of practice this week and will be a game-time decision, coach Jim Zorn said. If Washington is sidelined, reserve linebackers Alfred Fincher and H.B. Blades could have bigger roles against the Saints. But regardless of who plays, the Saints are expected to attack the unit with Bush and tight end Jeremy Shockey.
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The Redskins intend to focus on Bush today when they play host to New Orleans in their FedEx Field opener. Much of Washington's defensive plan involves the third-year player, who had an impressive performance in the Saints' season-opening victory over Tampa Bay, defensive coordinator Greg Blache said. The Saints' productive offense, however, also presents other challenges to a defense with several key members slowed because of injuries and whose personnel might not be suited for the basic approach Blache used in Washington's opening loss to the New York Giants.
In a 24-20 victory over the Buccaneers, Bush rushed for 51 yards on 14 carries and had game-highs with eight receptions for 112 yards. With 7 minutes 35 seconds remaining in the fourth quarter, Bush caught a swing pass from quarterback Drew Brees and outran defenders for a 42-yard touchdown that provided the go-ahead score. And with leading wide receiver Marques Colston sidelined after thumb surgery, Brees could rely on Bush even more.
Bush lines up in the backfield, in the slot and out wide, "and he can do whatever they ask him to do," strong safety Reed Doughty said. "He can do the swings, he can do the screens, and he can be a receiver. He's got the talent to do it all."
The Redskins are not in the best position physically to contend with someone so versatile. Linebacker Rocky McIntosh is working back into form after having season-ending reconstructive knee surgery in 2007. Marcus Washington (hamstring, hip) missed most of practice this week and will be a game-time decision, coach Jim Zorn said. If Washington is sidelined, reserve linebackers Alfred Fincher and H.B. Blades could have bigger roles against the Saints. But regardless of who plays, the Saints are expected to attack the unit with Bush and tight end Jeremy Shockey.
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Posted on 10/7/08 at 9:58 am to rmcc316
this is normally when you "pretend" logoff to find a loophole to further your silly arguments.
pwn3d
pwn3d
Posted on 10/7/08 at 10:02 am to rmcc316
Settle down, homeslice.
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