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Jon Gruden invited to observe Aug. 4 Saints training camp practice
Posted on 8/4/23 at 10:24 am
Posted on 8/4/23 at 10:24 am
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Ex-Las Vegas Raiders head coach Jon Gruden will be making another appearance at the New Orleans Saints practice facility on Friday, as first reported by Nola.com’s Jeff Duncan and confirmed by NewOrleans.Football’s Mike Triplett. Gruden was invited to return to the Ochsner Sports Performance Center and observe the Saints’ Aug. 4 training camp practice while sharing input on their new quarterback Derek Carr.
Gruden previously visited the Saints to offer feedback on coaching up Carr during minicamp practices, but he’s been out of the NFL since resigning due to the backlash from wildly inappropriate comments directed at his peers, coworkers, superiors, rivals, and other people around the league.
Saints head coach Dennis Allen downplayed Gruden’s involvement earlier this offseason, pointing to the success Carr found in his system and how it could help the quarterback settle in with his new team. Carr did post career-highs in completion percentage, passing yards, quarterback rating, and other advanced metrics like adjusted net yards per attempt (ANY/A) under Gruden’s tutelage, and the Saints are hoping to achieve similar results.
So from a purely football-focused perspective (as Allen is using), it makes sense to have Gruden watch a couple of practices and compare notes with the coaching staff. It’s not like the team is putting him on payroll and giving him an email address on their private server.
Still, the optics are obviously bad. Bringing in someone who has been blacklisted by the league due to his racist, homophobic, misogynistic, and otherwise bigoted remarks has upset a vocal portion of the fanbase while drawing criticism from national observers. It says something unpleasant about the Saints coaching staff that they would feel a need to seek Gruden out in the first place. But if he’s able to teach them some things about Carr that leads to points being scored and a return to the postseason, few people will remember this even happened, and that’s what Allen is banking on.
Ex-Las Vegas Raiders head coach Jon Gruden will be making another appearance at the New Orleans Saints practice facility on Friday, as first reported by Nola.com’s Jeff Duncan and confirmed by NewOrleans.Football’s Mike Triplett. Gruden was invited to return to the Ochsner Sports Performance Center and observe the Saints’ Aug. 4 training camp practice while sharing input on their new quarterback Derek Carr.
Gruden previously visited the Saints to offer feedback on coaching up Carr during minicamp practices, but he’s been out of the NFL since resigning due to the backlash from wildly inappropriate comments directed at his peers, coworkers, superiors, rivals, and other people around the league.
Saints head coach Dennis Allen downplayed Gruden’s involvement earlier this offseason, pointing to the success Carr found in his system and how it could help the quarterback settle in with his new team. Carr did post career-highs in completion percentage, passing yards, quarterback rating, and other advanced metrics like adjusted net yards per attempt (ANY/A) under Gruden’s tutelage, and the Saints are hoping to achieve similar results.
So from a purely football-focused perspective (as Allen is using), it makes sense to have Gruden watch a couple of practices and compare notes with the coaching staff. It’s not like the team is putting him on payroll and giving him an email address on their private server.
Still, the optics are obviously bad. Bringing in someone who has been blacklisted by the league due to his racist, homophobic, misogynistic, and otherwise bigoted remarks has upset a vocal portion of the fanbase while drawing criticism from national observers. It says something unpleasant about the Saints coaching staff that they would feel a need to seek Gruden out in the first place. But if he’s able to teach them some things about Carr that leads to points being scored and a return to the postseason, few people will remember this even happened, and that’s what Allen is banking on.
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Posted on 8/4/23 at 10:35 am to hellsu
DA would be smart to slip him some of his own cash to review tapes of last year and this year. Maybe he already did or quietly agreed to help him with a possible return one day in exchange. I would. Its obvious the league didn't threaten them after the first visit and after last year for petes sake we can use the help.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 10:39 am to hellsu
Wasn't Gruden a regular at Saints camps when Payton was here and Gruden was a member of the media? I recall a number of articles about him attending meetings with the coaches, watching the offense and talking with Payton on the sidelines.... A lot of it was chalked up to their long-time friendship and him being in the media doing his job; but you never heard anyone else from the media doing the same things.
Now because it's DA, it's automatically viewed as a negative?
Now because it's DA, it's automatically viewed as a negative?
Posted on 8/4/23 at 10:46 am to hellsu
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has upset a vocal portion of the fanbase while drawing criticism from national observers.
The only people it upset were people that don't care about or watch the saints. Anyone that wants the saints to be the best they can be, doesn't care that they consulted the guy that got the most out of Carr.
Like you mentioned, if they hired him to a position on staff, that's a different story.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 11:14 am to hellsu
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Bringing in someone who has been blacklisted by the league due to his racist, homophobic, misogynistic, and otherwise bigoted remarks has upset a vocal portion of the fanbase while drawing criticism from national observers.
fricks sake. People have nothing better to do than be perpetually outraged.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 11:15 am to hellsu
Well, it does not appear the players or other coaches share the same opinion of Gruden the the league wants to lay on him.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 11:24 am to BobBoucher
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fricks sake. People have nothing better to do than be perpetually outraged.
Huge mental illness issue in this country.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 11:27 am to BobBoucher
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upset a vocal portion of the fanbase while drawing criticism from national observers.
This sounds wildly exaggerated at best.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 11:41 am to DBG
Saints will hire him…if Redskins name is brought back. Media can’t attack both at the same time lol
Posted on 8/4/23 at 11:54 am to fwtex
I see this as a follow up to the first meeting with D.A. and Joe. According to D.A. they were getting Gruden's input of Carr's strengths and how best to incorporate it into the Saints offense. Now he's here to follow up on that first meeting and to observe what they are doing and simply give advise. The way I see it is you wouldn't slam a great book closed on tank warfare just because you discovered it was written by Irwin Rommel 
No. He's not here for the Mother Theresa Award and I think the players and the league get that. I'm pretty sure they have approval from the league if they need it.
No. He's not here for the Mother Theresa Award and I think the players and the league get that. I'm pretty sure they have approval from the league if they need it.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 12:40 pm to hellsu
Is it too late for Jon Gruden to take over as head coach and DA moves to DC and assistant head coach? Asking for a playoffs serious friend.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 12:45 pm to BobBoucher
Seems there is a certain, err ummm, individual down voting every post. lol
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:25 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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The only people it upset were people that don't care about or watch the saints. Anyone that wants the saints to be the best they can be, doesn't care that they consulted the guy that got the most out of Carr.
I don’t like it, and it has nothing to do with Gruden. But it definitely says something about Pete. How many times does he need Gruden to come in and hold his hand and teach him how to coach Carr? If he’s not capable of getting the best out of him, perhaps we should have hired a better OC?
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:29 pm to BobBoucher
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John Sigler
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Trying to score woke points.
Dude fully admitted to being an uber left wing nut on Twitter years ago. One of many reasons why I stopped following him for Saints news.
Also because his takes were horrible.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:29 pm to Hot Carl
I'm not going to slam Pete for talking to the one coach who knows Carr personally and his family better than any other coach alive.
If you would have heard Pete refused his offer to talk about Carr and his game and offer any advise you would be losing your sh!t and you know it
If you would have heard Pete refused his offer to talk about Carr and his game and offer any advise you would be losing your sh!t and you know it
Posted on 8/4/23 at 3:56 pm to Hot Carl
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I don’t like it, and it has nothing to do with Gruden. But it definitely says something about Pete. How many times does he need Gruden to come in and hold his hand and teach him how to coach Carr? If he’s not capable of getting the best out of him, perhaps we should have hired a better OC?
Carmichael is well respected around the league and Payton has said many times that no one knows the Saints offense in and out like Pete. This is what D.A. to say about todays visit. Please calm your nerves.
Dennis Allen says he 'wouldn't read too much into' Jon Gruden at Saints practice
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There’s been plenty of talk about former NFL coach Jon Gruden visiting New Orleans Saints practice, with some wondering if he will take things further with the team at some point. That does not seem to be the case, though, as head coach Dennis Allen made clear when he met with the media Friday.
“He’s gonna be here for the next couple of days, he’s really just observing,” Allen said. “There’s not a role we have for him. He loves football, he loves being around it. He comes out here, he watches practices a little bit, if there’s things we can visit with him about, that he can provide some insight for us, we’ll utilize it.”
There won’t be anything beyond that, Allen says, and having spent time with the team’s current starting quarterback seems to be the most obvious reason he’s being used as a resource by the Saints.
“I wouldn’t read too much into it,” Allen continued. “He’s out here observing, much like we had some other guys out here observing, Brett Maxie was out here today observing practice. He’s got a lot of experience with Derek (Carr), so there’s probably some things we can glean from that.”
This is happening less than two years after the Raiders parted ways with Gruden after emails he sent to former Washington Commanders executive Bruce Allen leaked while he was working for ESPN.
Gruden sued NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and the league under the notion the emails were weaponized against him. The case is currently pending on appeal of whether or not it will unfold in arbitration or court.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 4:46 pm to LSUZombie
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Dude fully admitted to being an uber left wing nut
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his takes were horrible.
Checks out.
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Posted on 8/4/23 at 5:08 pm to hellsu
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Please calm your nerves.
My nerves are just fine.
And it’s not even this by itself. It’s this combined with last year’s play calling. Raise your hand if you think Pete did a good job last year creating game plans and calling plays. How many hands we got up? Zero? That’s my point.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 5:16 pm to Hot Carl
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And it’s not even this by itself. It’s this combined with last year’s play calling. Raise your hand if you think Pete did a good job last year creating game plans and calling plays. How many hands we got up? Zero? That’s my point.
My hands not up either. He wasn't aggressive enough. He did call some good games but fell off on others. He was hamstrung with mediocre Q.B.'s injuries on the o-line and a half hearted Kamara at times. I think we'll see a difference with a Q.B. that can push the ball down the field and more talent in the rb room. A healthy oline would be great.
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