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How high would you take Rico Gathers?
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:15 pm
I knew he was from Louisiana, so I half-assed paid attention when I ran across the headline of him declaring for the NFL draft. I assumed since he used his entire eligibility at Baylor, he probably wasn't NBA material due lack of athleticism or actual height. Too short to play the 4, but not athletic enough to play the 3, that sort of thing. So I kinda glossed over it. Then I hear a little bit about him on Mascona this week and find out he's a legit 6'7", 280, with 11% body fat. That's a fricking freak. I'm not sure what his 40, come, shuttle, vertical and all the usual measurables are, but I'd imagine with his basketball background, they'd be pretty damn good. I think we've all pretty much conceded high level basketball players are probably the best overall athletes on the planet.
So, let's say he runs a 4.7ish and jumps 35ish. Had he played and been productive in college--if there was nice tape on him--he'd likely be a no doubt 1st rounder. But he hasn't played football since he was 13. How high would you be willing to gamble on him? I keep hearing 6th or 7th round, or even UDFA. But how many of those guys ever even make a roster? Or even a practice squad? Sure, there are the Colston-like outliers, but those are certainly the rare exceptions. At best, you are realistically hoping for warm camp bodies and perhaps depth during the season if injuries happen at their position.
The late rounds, to me, are where you should take chances on guys who could wind up being really good, complete gambles due to either college injuries that you're not sure they'll ever really come back from or guys like Colston who played against crap competition that prevents you from getting a good feel for them. They have the measurables to be really good, but they are risks. Not much risk in the 6th or 7th as most of those guys will never make a team.
So how high would you gamble on Gathers? And I'm not even necessarily talking about the Saints, who have addressed TE. He could literally be anything from the best TE to ever play the game or a total bust who doesn't ever have an NFL career catch. I think I'd take a shot in the 5th all things considered. What say you?
So, let's say he runs a 4.7ish and jumps 35ish. Had he played and been productive in college--if there was nice tape on him--he'd likely be a no doubt 1st rounder. But he hasn't played football since he was 13. How high would you be willing to gamble on him? I keep hearing 6th or 7th round, or even UDFA. But how many of those guys ever even make a roster? Or even a practice squad? Sure, there are the Colston-like outliers, but those are certainly the rare exceptions. At best, you are realistically hoping for warm camp bodies and perhaps depth during the season if injuries happen at their position.
The late rounds, to me, are where you should take chances on guys who could wind up being really good, complete gambles due to either college injuries that you're not sure they'll ever really come back from or guys like Colston who played against crap competition that prevents you from getting a good feel for them. They have the measurables to be really good, but they are risks. Not much risk in the 6th or 7th as most of those guys will never make a team.
So how high would you gamble on Gathers? And I'm not even necessarily talking about the Saints, who have addressed TE. He could literally be anything from the best TE to ever play the game or a total bust who doesn't ever have an NFL career catch. I think I'd take a shot in the 5th all things considered. What say you?
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:17 pm to Hot Carl
Seems like you got it all figured out.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:32 pm to Hot Carl
7th Rd or undrafted
if we waste a mid RD pick on him im going to kick a baby
if we waste a mid RD pick on him im going to kick a baby
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:34 pm to ruzil
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Seems like you got it all figured out.
Not at all. He's just really intriguing to me. He may go to his pro day/individual workouts and run a 4.5, run crisp routes, catch everything thrown his way and absolutely wow everybody in shorts and a t-shirt. Then he may get hit in rookie camp one time in shells fand wind up being a super bitch. May alligator arm everything thrown his way with grown arse men with bad intentions trying to feed their families lining up across from him. I just don't know at what point that potential payoff is worth the gamble.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:35 pm to Hot Carl
around where Marques Colston was taken.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 11:45 pm to Lester Earl
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if we waste a mid RD pick on him im going to kick a baby
Mid as in 3rd through 5th? That's fair. Would a 6th really piss you off? And it's only a "waste" if he winds up not contributing, which most 6th rounders don't anyway. shite, we have drafted SJB in the 2nd, Grayson in the 3rd(jury still out, to be fair), and Pittman in the 4th. Those are "wasted" picks cause they contributed absolutely nothing. You don't think Gathers' potential warrants a 5th or 6th?
I'm not completely sold on him that high either, especially with our current TE situation. This could be about any team. I'm not advocating for him here, just trying to have a discussion. Cause like I said, his situation is really intriguing and I'm not sure how much the gamble is worth.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 1:20 am to Hot Carl
He's undraftable right now because he hasn't even worked out for teams yet. If he blows people away there maybe he's a 7th rounder.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 1:38 am to saintsfan22
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He's undraftable right now because he hasn't even worked out for teams yet. If he blows people away there maybe he's a 7th rounder
Of course, this hypothetical assumes he kills his workouts. You think his not having strapped on pads in 10 years drops him to the 7th round? What are you honestly expecting in the 5th or 6th? His potential is not worth taking over a guy who likely won't make the team? He may not either, but he could be a fricking monster.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 1:47 am to Hot Carl
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What are you honestly expecting in the 5th or 6th?
With those picks you're trying to get depth that can hopefully give you 2-3 years at worst.
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His potential is not worth taking over a guy who likely won't make the team?
They don't think this guy likely won't make the team when they draft them though.
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He may not either, but he could be a fricking monster.
Maybe, just look at La'el for how (stupidly) risk-averse GMs are.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 1:58 am to saintsfan22
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With those picks you're trying to get depth that can hopefully give you 2-3 years at worst.
Hopefully. I'd like to see the percentages of 5th and 6th rounders who ever make a roster, much less for 2 or 3 years. It may be higher than I'm assuming, which would change my thinking.
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They don't think this guy likely won't make the team when they draft them though.
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Of course not, but I'm sure they have the data. Again, it may be better than I'm assuming.
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Maybe, just look at La'el for how (stupidly) risk-averse GMs are.
Right, which is why you don't want to let him become an UDFA if you really like him. Then you're bidding against other teams and he has the leverage to go where he wants. If you really like him, can you take that chance?
Just to be clear, this is not necessarily about the Saints with the their current TE situation. Could be any team. I guess we'll know a lot more in a couple of weeks during his pro day and individual workouts. He could run a 4.5 or a 5 flat. No idea at this point.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 4:09 am to Hot Carl
all ill say is, if there ever was an offense he would thrive in, it would be the saints
Posted on 4/8/16 at 5:20 am to Hot Carl
Gathers will likely not be drafted. Jimmy Graham played football at Miami and had 17 receptions for 5 TDs. He was invited to the combine and ran a 4.67 or something like that. That's why he was drafted. Tony Gonzales played football and was All Pac-10. He was likewise invited to the combine and drafted.
Antonio Gates only played basketball. He was not invited to the combine and had individual workouts for teams. He was signed as an undrafted free agent. Rico will have the same circumstances. UFA or late 7th round pick.
Antonio Gates only played basketball. He was not invited to the combine and had individual workouts for teams. He was signed as an undrafted free agent. Rico will have the same circumstances. UFA or late 7th round pick.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 7:11 am to Suntiger
He has private workouts soon.
This dude is a freak. Looks pretty good catching the ball.
News piece on him. WOW!
This dude is a freak. Looks pretty good catching the ball.
News piece on him. WOW!
Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:34 pm to Lester Earl
quote:...at best
7th Rd
I think the last time he played football he was 13.
This post was edited on 4/8/16 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:40 pm to Biggereztiger
What was wow about that video? He looked slow running those drills.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:54 pm to Biggereztiger
quote:Disagree. I thought it looked unnatural.
Looks pretty good catching the ball.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 4:23 pm to Melvin
Yall telling me y'all wouldn't take a gamble on a guy this size?
Posted on 4/8/16 at 4:46 pm to Biggereztiger
He's not the first 6'7'' 280 guy to come along. In fact being in 260 range would probably be better for him.
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