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Everyone is thinking about Penning but I think Saldervi is the guy that will be better.
Posted on 3/29/24 at 9:04 pm
Posted on 3/29/24 at 9:04 pm
He’s got good potential and he’s a natural RT. I would think about trying him out there instead of guard possibly. He was from a zone block running offense at Old Dominion which is what Kubiak will run. He was hurt last year, we really haven’t gotten a large enough look at him. One of these young guys is going to have to step up though because there’s no way I see them going OL at both 14 and 45 and I doubt they sign anyone besides Peat and only if his market fails. Penning just has looked lost and defeated when he has played. I think he’s mentally fricked to be honest.
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Posted on 3/29/24 at 9:36 pm to LSUPilot07
Arms are too short to play OT. Actually he even has below average arm length for a guard
Has 18%tile arm length based on tackles measured at the combine and 47%tile length for a guard. Suffice to say he’s gonna be a guard or center
Has 18%tile arm length based on tackles measured at the combine and 47%tile length for a guard. Suffice to say he’s gonna be a guard or center
Posted on 3/29/24 at 10:30 pm to GynoSandberg
It’s just a mathematical fact that at least one of Penning, Saldiveri or Landon Young has to win a starting spot and none inspire much confidence. I’d be shocked if they went OL at 14 and 45. To be honest I can’t believe they haven’t just hedged their bets and brought Peat back even if it cost $7-9 million a year versus the $3 million they were probably hoping to get away with. At least you know you have a serviceable LT/LG player that can start and not kill you. It’s going to be a massive fail if all the draft capital that invested in the OL the last 3 years and none pan out.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 7:18 am to LSUPilot07
Saldiveri played well at guard and looks more suited for that position. McCoy, Ruiz and Saldiveri is a solid interior.
Ram, Hurst, Young or Penning is who you currently have to play OT. I’d imagine we draft a rookie and that is one of the starters. Hurst and Young are very solid spot players and occasional starters. Penning is too slow for OT in my opinion. He needs to move to guard. Ramczyk knee will determine if he plays or not.
This is year one of two in rebuilding the OL in my opinion. Vegas has our win/loss number at 7.5. I’ll take the under and Dennis Allen getting fired. OT this year and maybe a 2nd round OT next year.
Ram, Hurst, Young or Penning is who you currently have to play OT. I’d imagine we draft a rookie and that is one of the starters. Hurst and Young are very solid spot players and occasional starters. Penning is too slow for OT in my opinion. He needs to move to guard. Ramczyk knee will determine if he plays or not.
This is year one of two in rebuilding the OL in my opinion. Vegas has our win/loss number at 7.5. I’ll take the under and Dennis Allen getting fired. OT this year and maybe a 2nd round OT next year.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 7:27 am to LSUPilot07
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It’s just a mathematical fact that at least one of Penning, Saldiveri or Landon Young has to win a starting spot
Those 3 aren’t just competing with each other, they are also competing with all 32 teams OLs (many of whom will be cut and perhaps better than any of our guys).
So no, it’s no guarantee we’re stuck starting them. Better yet, if somehow our scouting department actually hits on an OL this draft he’ll move up in the chain.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 8:14 am to LSUPilot07
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He’s got good potential
I think so, too. Not as a Pro Bowler, but I think he could develop into a average-good starter at some point. I really hope it's this year, but at the very least if he could be the the swing guy this year who could come in and substitute multiple positions in-game due to injury and maybe take over a full-time starting spot in Year 3, that would be good value.
His NFL.com pre-draft grade was 6.10, which is in the "Good backup with the potential to develop into starter" category. If he could turn into that a year early, it would really help. But like you mentioned, he was hurt most of last year, so a lot will depend on how much that stunted his growth. If he spent all day in the training room rehabbing that sucks, but if he were actually out there taking mental reps and learning in the film room, maybe he did actually get something out of last year that will help him hit the ground running in OTAs. Everybody's learning a new offensive/blockig scheme, so that could even the playing field a bit.
A couple of encouraging quotes from the same pre-draft site:
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Three-year starter with good overall size/length and the potential to play multiple spots along the offensive line. Saldiveri is naturally athletic and should fit best as a zone blocker or pulling guard who can get out into space and find work
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Strengths
* Football IQ helps him sort through movement and alter assignments if necessary. * Agility and redirection to catch moving targets on second level. * Accelerates and charges through down blocks with choppy feet. * Makes himself longer by effectively counter punching in pass sets. * Easy lateral slides versus rush counters. * Keeps pads squared as long as possible versus edge rushers. * Athletic tools to be an active participant in screen game.
He's got some weaknesses too, obviously, or he would have gone before the 4th. But he's got the requisite size and athletic ability to be an NFL starter. A lot is going to depend on his mentality, I believe. You think Penning is fricked mentally, and he very well may be. Saldiveri isn't burdened with that, but is he a super confident, ambitious guy with some "dawg" in him who wants to be great? Or is he just satisfied with being on the 53? I guess we'll see.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 8:36 am to Hot Carl
I ran across something interesting things looking at San Fran's offensive philosophy with regards to OL. Obviously Kubiak isn't Shannahan and has had other gigs, so he's probably got some ideas of his own and isn't going to try to come in and run the 49ers offense the exact same way. But it will be a zone blocking system where you can maybe get away with not having a bunch of 1st rounders up and down the line. Here's some criticism of it by si.com, but I think you can "glass half full" it, too.
They had the 20th (ish) ranked OL in the NFL last year, but almost won the Super Bowl. They were successful mainly by getting the ball out of Purdy's hand fast and using their offensive weapons in multiple ways by spreading them out in multiple positions and getting the ball to them early and letting them make plays. I think no matter what happens with our OL personnel, a big focus this off-season will be working with Carr on getting the ball out early to guys like Shaheed and AK, and moving guys like Juwan and Taysom around in the passing game. I imagine whoever winds up at FB will be used more often in the passing game too.
I still really think Miller could be a really good RB1. If he develops into that early, we could have him and AK on the field at the same time and put AK in motion and split him out.
There are some creative ways to get around having an average-bad OL. But I think we do have to use either 14 or 45 on a tackle (14 should probably be a LT or Bowers) and 1 of Saldiver, Penning, or Young has to take a huge jump and be ready to be a serviceable starter somewhere.
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The 49ers never will fix their offensive line until they prioritize the position.
The right side of the 49ers offensive line has been a problem since Kyle Shanahan became the head coach. It crumbled in the fourth quarter of Super Bowl LIV, and once again in the second half of Super Bowl LVIII.
And that's because the 49ers don't seriously invest in offensive linemen. They try to save money at the position, which is somewhat understandable -- teams can splurge at every position when there's a salary cap. Teams have to decide which positions are more important than others and where they can save some cap space.
They had the 20th (ish) ranked OL in the NFL last year, but almost won the Super Bowl. They were successful mainly by getting the ball out of Purdy's hand fast and using their offensive weapons in multiple ways by spreading them out in multiple positions and getting the ball to them early and letting them make plays. I think no matter what happens with our OL personnel, a big focus this off-season will be working with Carr on getting the ball out early to guys like Shaheed and AK, and moving guys like Juwan and Taysom around in the passing game. I imagine whoever winds up at FB will be used more often in the passing game too.
I still really think Miller could be a really good RB1. If he develops into that early, we could have him and AK on the field at the same time and put AK in motion and split him out.
There are some creative ways to get around having an average-bad OL. But I think we do have to use either 14 or 45 on a tackle (14 should probably be a LT or Bowers) and 1 of Saldiver, Penning, or Young has to take a huge jump and be ready to be a serviceable starter somewhere.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 9:16 am to LSUPilot07
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It’s just a mathematical fact that at least one of Penning, Saldiveri or Landon Young has to win a starting spot and none inspire much confidence. I’d be shocked if they went OL at 14 and 45. To be honest I can’t believe they
No it isn't. They might not even make the team.
This post was edited on 3/30/24 at 9:17 am
Posted on 3/30/24 at 9:34 am to Suntiger
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Penning is too slow for OT in my opinion. He needs to move to guard.
He isn’t too slow. His footwork and tech is just awful and he hasn’t figured it out yet. It was a problem coming out of college and he hasn’t improved much. Maybe the new offensive line coach will be able to get him right. Needs to put in the work this offseason.
This post was edited on 3/30/24 at 9:40 am
Posted on 3/30/24 at 9:56 am to Mpd31
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He isn’t too slow.
Hes not wrong. His reaction time when it comes to NFL pass rushers is extremely slow. On top of that, his footwork like you said is horrendous. The fact he is a third year NFL player and still needs to learn basic reaction time and footwork is pretty concerning.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 10:40 am to Suntiger
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Penning is too slow for OT in my opinion.
Doesn’t add up. His 10 yard, 40 yard, broad jump, 3 cone were all elite for an OT. I think his problem lies with his mentals and scheme. He was markedly better in pass pro vs the run game, but it seems he checks every box to be a violent road grader. Nothing makes sense with him
You need penning to lock up the left tackle spot. Hurst, Udoh and Saldiveri fight for a guard spot next to Ruiz, and they can all play tackle in a pinch. Saldiveri backs up McCoy. Bring back Peat to play RT, draft a guy at 14 or 45. If not Peat, take a flier on a former 1st rd guy like Betcon or Andre Dillard.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 10:53 am to GynoSandberg
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You need penning to lock up the left tackle spot. Hurst, Udoh and Saldiveri fight for a guard spot next to Ruiz, and they can all play tackle in a pinch. Saldiveri backs up McCoy. Bring back Peat to play RT, draft a guy at 14 or 45. If not Peat, take a flier on a former 1st rd guy like Betcon or Andre Dillard.
Why would Penning play lt over peat?
Penning will get fresh eyes on him with the new offensive staff. I just don't see the saints going into the season counting on Penning to start at lt. It would be malfeasance
Posted on 3/30/24 at 11:16 am to GynoSandberg
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I think his problem lies with his mentals and scheme.
This is a big part of it as well. People don’t realize how complex and difficult it is to identify and pick up nfl blitz packages. He is likely thinking too much as well. But again his footwork is terrible. Until that is resolved he will be slow. He doesn’t know how to move as an offensive lineman right now and he is facing faster players than he has ever played before.
This post was edited on 3/30/24 at 11:18 am
Posted on 3/30/24 at 11:17 am to GynoSandberg
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You need penning to lock up the left tackle spot. Hurst, Udoh and Saldiveri fight for a guard spot next to Ruiz, and they can all play tackle in a pinch. Saldiveri backs up McCoy. Bring back Peat to play RT, draft a guy at 14 or 45. If not Peat, take a flier on a former 1st rd guy like Betcon or Andre Dillard.
This literally would be the worst offensive line in the NFL.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 12:24 pm to Chalkywhite84
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Why would Penning play lt over peat?
You took Penning at 1.19 and gave up valuable assets to get there, with the thought that he’s your LT for the next 10 years. Doesn’t really matter who it is but if Peat is back it’s not going to be a long deal.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 1:13 pm to Pels_Yaz
I can’t believe we are at the point that i’m actually hoping we can bring Peat back. There has to be more insurance than Oli Udoh. Just give Peat $7 million on a 1 year deal. Worst case he’s your starting LT, best case we find a LT either in the draft or Penning and he’s either the LG or primary backup. I wouldn’t mind adding Cam Erving back either. He played really well at RT. He actually stood out a little because of his play. We aren’t going OL at 14 and 45 both, they want to add a WR or a DL and I think they will use one to pick for other than OL.
This post was edited on 3/30/24 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 3/30/24 at 1:22 pm to GynoSandberg
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You took Penning at 1.19 and gave up valuable assets to get there, with the thought that he’s your LT for the next 10 years. Doesn’t really matter who it is but if Peat is back it’s not going to be a long deal.
Penning probably needs to take a step back from playing time and just work on technique. Live action can actually create worse technique habits.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 1:28 pm to Mpd31
He played 13 total offensive snaps after week 6 last year
Posted on 3/30/24 at 3:28 pm to LSUPilot07
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We aren’t going OL at 14 and 45 both, they want to add a WR or a DL and I think they will use one to pick for other than OL.
I think theres a big possibility they might go OL for both. This OL is that bad and they did nothing in free agency to address it.
Posted on 3/30/24 at 3:40 pm to GynoSandberg
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Penning is too slow for OT in my opinion.
Doesn’t add up. His 10 yard, 40 yard, broad jump, 3 cone were all elite for an OT. I think his problem lies with his mentals and scheme. He was markedly better in pass pro vs the run game,
I’m not talking about him running. He’s slow to react. He’s one of the last lineman on the offensive side to get out of his stance. The quick DEs get a step or two before he makes his first step.
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