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Everyone is sleeping on the saints.

Posted on 8/7/17 at 11:54 pm
Posted by JimmyTigers1995
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2017
178 posts
Posted on 8/7/17 at 11:54 pm
The Saints have had the top offense in the NFL the past three seasons in a row.
2016
2015
2014

With how quickly teams can rise and fall in the NFL, how can you not constantly be worried about saints? We went from an 8-8 season to a 13-3. We didn't even have a top 15 defense when we won in 2009. If we manage to muster a defense that isn't in the bottom 3rd of the league, we are super bowl contenders. Not just some rinky dink wild card team, but a number 1 or 2 seed.

Brees is still playing as good as ever; I don't think you can argue otherwise with the production he has had the past 3 years. Everyone I talk to thinks the Saints are some god awful organization right now, and that Brees is near his end. We were a few extremely unlucky special teams plays from being 9-7 last year despite having a bottom 5 defense. Four of our loses were within 3 points. And of the remaining 5, only two of the losses were by more than 7 points.

If we have a below average defense this year, we're going to the playoffs, and we will be a force to be reckoned with.

This post was edited on 8/8/17 at 12:00 am
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 8/8/17 at 12:09 am to
We submit better than a 31st ranked performance by the defense, we'll likely finish 9-7. Hell better than 25th ranked, we might even make the playoffs. Won't guarantee but can happen.
Posted by Tiger Nation 84
Member since Dec 2011
36518 posts
Posted on 8/8/17 at 12:27 am to
Gotta have decent defensive play. Can't do it with just one or the other
Posted by breauxmosexual
New Orleans, LA
Member since Aug 2016
2526 posts
Posted on 8/8/17 at 1:03 am to
WHO DAT


Posted by Ryan3232
Valet driver for TD staff
Member since Dec 2008
25796 posts
Posted on 8/8/17 at 1:41 am to
The fact that our offense is almost guarenteed to be ATLEAST top 5, it frustrates me to see that no one understands that all we need is our defense to be AVERAGE and we will be in the playoffs. We have young guys, but more depth than ever imo. A lot of new faces as well.
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
31590 posts
Posted on 8/8/17 at 1:49 am to
That's not been the only problem. Another problem has been inconsistency by the offense when the defense did get stops, and they did a couple of times before they eventually broke.

The offense played its arse off when the defense was shite. And when the defense played its arse off the offense would stall and fail to make up ground in losses or fail to put teams away.


You saw what the Saints could become in that first Carolina game in 2016. We got stops and our offense fired on all cylinders early, which led to us curb stomping them that first quarter. Then later we saw how the Saints normally lose, through shitty defensive play and inconsistency on offense, which allowed Carolina to mount their comeback. What we need is consistency across the board, in addition to better defensive play.
Posted by WNCTigah
Member since Sep 2016
308 posts
Posted on 8/8/17 at 6:04 am to
quote:

Gotta have decent defensive play. Can't do it with just one or the other



If they are as committed to the run as they appear to be in this off-season than I think that automatically makes the defense better.
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
66982 posts
Posted on 8/8/17 at 6:25 am to
Defense wins championships and we haven't had one since 3G left.

Payton also has a penchant for abandoning the running game or refusing to pound the rock early. Statistically, and he admits this at the beginning or middle of every single season, we do better when we use the run to open the pass but he's always quick to forget that. It's infuriating.
This post was edited on 8/8/17 at 6:28 am
Posted by geauxtigers87
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2011
25205 posts
Posted on 8/8/17 at 6:48 am to
quote:

3G


Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Breesus. Your sad devotion to that ancient defense has not helped you conjure up a relevant defense or given you clairvoyance enough to find the rebels' hidden fort-...
Posted by Thracken13
Aft Cargo Hold of Serenity
Member since Feb 2010
15994 posts
Posted on 8/8/17 at 7:06 am to
I am sure that he finds your lack of faith.....distrurbing
Posted by t00f
Not where you think I am
Member since Jul 2016
89951 posts
Posted on 8/8/17 at 7:07 am to
Super Bowl run the Saints made a concerted effort to rush and were ranked 6th at the end of the year. Last year we were decent at like 16th. Prior to 2009 CSP was pass happy and they were not balanced.

Hoping if the line jells and the additional of All Day and AK will get us back there. As others have mentioned D is huge, even if we are middle of the pack and can create more turnovers.

Saints were close last year. So many games they lost that they should have won if the D or special teams could have made one or two more plays.

But with three years at 7-9 I don't blame anyone not watching the Saints.
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
38259 posts
Posted on 8/8/17 at 7:16 am to
We just need our defense to stop getting annihilated by injuries and we'd be alright.

I think a full season of the expected full defensive backfield even probably flips us to 9-7. People bitch about how horrible the defense was but also don't recognize who was playing. Our depth isn't good (how many teams' are?)
Keenan Lewis
Breaux
PJ Williams
Kyle Wilson
Swann
Posted by redneck
Los Suenos, Costa Rica
Member since Dec 2003
53609 posts
Posted on 8/8/17 at 7:17 am to
I don't have a problem with anyone sleeping on the Saints. We have been 7-9 three years in a row, why should anyone see us as a threat until we prove otherwise? Also, I like being the sleeper

ETA: want everyone to take us seriously? beat New England week 2, problem solved
This post was edited on 8/8/17 at 7:18 am
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
66982 posts
Posted on 8/8/17 at 8:18 am to
quote:

Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Breesus. Your sad devotion to that ancient defense has not helped you conjure up a relevant defense or given you clairvoyance enough to find the rebels' hidden fort-...



I wouldn't be too proud of the perfect passing offense you've created. The ability to coach a perfect passing game is insignificant next to the power of a balanced offense and solid defense.

Search your feelings. You know this to be true.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64355 posts
Posted on 8/8/17 at 8:20 am to
Posted by geauxtigers87
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2011
25205 posts
Posted on 8/8/17 at 8:20 am to
This bickering is pointless. Now Lord Allen will provide us with the location of the hidden falcons fortress. We will then crush the NFC South with one swift stroke.
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
66982 posts
Posted on 8/8/17 at 8:30 am to
quote:

Now Lord Allen will provide us with the location of the hidden falcons fortress. We will then crush the NFC South with one swift stroke.



Actually, thanks to Bill Belichick's spies, I have obtained plans of the falcons fortress.

Here is the layout:



Its defenses are designed around a direct, large-scale assault. But you see that spot at the top? It's a small thermal exhaust port. The shaft leads directly to the completely empty trophy room. A precise hit will start a chain reaction which should destroy the franchise.

Many think such a hit is impossible, but just last week sports science showed Drew Brees bullseyeing womprats and they're not much bigger than 2 meters.
Posted by geauxtigers87
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2011
25205 posts
Posted on 8/8/17 at 8:36 am to
We actually intercepted some communications between Matt Ryan and Arthur blank regarding the devastating set back at the battle of the superbowl:

Ryan:Uh, everything's under control. Situation normal.

Blank: What happened?
Ryan: Uh, we had a slight play call malfunction, but uh... everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?
Posted by Wind
Member since Nov 2016
854 posts
Posted on 8/8/17 at 8:59 am to
Terrible board to admit this on but...

On paper the Saints look like the worst team in the NFC South.
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
16919 posts
Posted on 8/8/17 at 9:10 am to
Maybe I'm overly optimistic, but I like the makeup of our defense right now. LB's are still a huge question mark but I see potential for at least average play there with the personnel additions, and I will absolutely take average LB play right now.

Losing Fairley is a huge blow IMO. The combo of him and Rankins looked to be nasty and offered us a little compensation for lack of an outside pass rush. But with Okafor and hopefully Pineapple if he can stay healthy, I like our ability to generate some rush opposite Jordan.

Secondary seems to be solid to me as well, which feels a little crazy to say but I really think we might have a solid lineup there.

My concern on offense is the OL. Does Strief have another year of productive play? With Armstead going down, how does the line shake out? Can Ramcyzk contribute quality play right away? Does Unger get healthy?

I have no concerns with our RB's and WR's. The trio of Ingram, Peterson, and Kamara I think will be one of the more dynamic backfields in the league.

If the Saints can avoid anymore injury attrition of key players, which history shows is unlikely, then I think they have a legitimate shot at a run. More optimistic this year than I've been over the past several seasons.
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