That isn't what you had said. Most get a large % of their guaranteed money up front due to the signing bonus. Guaranteed money doesn't actually have to be fully guaranteed in the NFL.

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LMAO. Yeah they could have done that. They would have had to pay him $20 million to leave and carry a dead cap hit of $29.6 Million dollars. LMFAO...whoa!

Wrong. Try reading what I actually said. Why would the Saints have had to pay him $20 million to leave? You misunderstand what the NFLPA deems guaranteed money.

Also, your math doesn't add up. If we had to pay him an additional $20 million, the dead cap would be $49.6 million

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In 2013,the Saints will have a three-day window to release Brees after the waiver period begins (five days after the Super Bowl); if not, Brees gets another $15 million of fully guaranteed earnings, bringing his two-year total to $55 million.

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In 2014, the same three-day waiver scenario is in place before Brees is fully guaranteed another $5 million, with an additional $1 million in salary. Under the assumption Brees is the team's quarterback for the next three years, he would make $61 million during that stretch, with $60 million fully guaranteed, the highest guaranteed total for an NFL player.

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While the waiver window gives the Saints an out, both the league and union view the $60 million as "guaranteed" because of the extreme unlikelihood the Saints would want to have paid Brees $40 million for one year or $55 million for two years.

So no, we wouldn't have had to pay him the additional $20 million.

What part of that do you not understand?

He has 39% of the available money in his contract on the table for the next 2 seasons. When teams call a contract backloaded, they are referring to cap hits, 54% coming in the next 2 years.

You don't seem to understand what Tom Brady did in his extension and how it relates to Brees, so I'll let this article try and get through that skull

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Brees still gives the Saints their best chance to win going forward and should be able to do so for at least two or three more years. And even if those salaries look a little out of whack, keep in mind that Brees’ deal was intentionally back-loaded for salary-cap purposes to provide the Saints some much-needed cap space in previous years. Brees was such a bargain for so long, these next two years could even be considered well-deserved back pay.

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The Brady deal in 2013 was a win-win for the quarterback and his team. Brady received all of the salary and bonuses that were remaining on his previous deal in the form of a $30 million signing bonus, he wound up getting a $3 million raise over a two-year span from 2013-2014, and he wound up with a total of $57 million in guarantees over the life of the five-year deal.

I'm sure Brees would love a similar extension, as it would guarantee that he gets paid his $20 million in 2016 even if injured plus add on additional pay down the line.

The Saints want to wait until next season.

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Does making stuff up in order to preserve your love and worship for Drew make you feel better?

Shove St. Tom's cock a little deeper. You need to become better informed on what actually happens with contracts, the salary cap, and the NFL.

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Posted by s_i5

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Posted on 3/13/15 at 2:29 pm to TigerBait1127

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No, most do not get that large a percentage of their contract up front.

That isn't what you had said. Most get a large % of their guaranteed money up front due to the signing bonus. Guaranteed money doesn't actually have to be fully guaranteed in the NFL.

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LMAO. Yeah they could have done that. They would have had to pay him $20 million to leave and carry a dead cap hit of $29.6 Million dollars. LMFAO...whoa!

Wrong. Try reading what I actually said. Why would the Saints have had to pay him $20 million to leave? You misunderstand what the NFLPA deems guaranteed money.

Also, your math doesn't add up. If we had to pay him an additional $20 million, the dead cap would be $49.6 million

LINK

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In 2013,the Saints will have a three-day window to release Brees after the waiver period begins (five days after the Super Bowl); if not, Brees gets another $15 million of fully guaranteed earnings, bringing his two-year total to $55 million.

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In 2014, the same three-day waiver scenario is in place before Brees is fully guaranteed another $5 million, with an additional $1 million in salary. Under the assumption Brees is the team's quarterback for the next three years, he would make $61 million during that stretch, with $60 million fully guaranteed, the highest guaranteed total for an NFL player.

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While the waiver window gives the Saints an out, both the league and union view the $60 million as "guaranteed" because of the extreme unlikelihood the Saints would want to have paid Brees $40 million for one year or $55 million for two years.

So no, we wouldn't have had to pay him the additional $20 million.

What part of that do you not understand?

He has 39% of the available money in his contract on the table for the next 2 seasons. When teams call a contract backloaded, they are referring to cap hits, 54% coming in the next 2 years.

You don't seem to understand what Tom Brady did in his extension and how it relates to Brees, so I'll let this article try and get through that skull

LINK

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Brees still gives the Saints their best chance to win going forward and should be able to do so for at least two or three more years. And even if those salaries look a little out of whack, keep in mind that Brees’ deal was intentionally back-loaded for salary-cap purposes to provide the Saints some much-needed cap space in previous years. Brees was such a bargain for so long, these next two years could even be considered well-deserved back pay.

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The Brady deal in 2013 was a win-win for the quarterback and his team. Brady received all of the salary and bonuses that were remaining on his previous deal in the form of a $30 million signing bonus, he wound up getting a $3 million raise over a two-year span from 2013-2014, and he wound up with a total of $57 million in guarantees over the life of the five-year deal.

I'm sure Brees would love a similar extension, as it would guarantee that he gets paid his $20 million in 2016 even if injured plus add on additional pay down the line.

The Saints want to wait until next season.

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Does making stuff up in order to preserve your love and worship for Drew make you feel better?

Shove St. Tom's cock a little deeper. You need to become better informed on what actually happens with contracts, the salary cap, and the NFL.

He got 40 million the first year, he had another 20 million guaranteed if injured. Why the frick else would they get rid of him after 2012??

The dead cap hit in 2013 is what I stated, you can believe whatever the frick you want, but it what it is.

Once again, no shite they backload contracts for cap purposes, but his contract was frontloaded in the amount of cash he got up front and the percentage of his guaranteed money. These are two different things that you don't grasp.

Once once again, Yes I know what Brady did just recently, yes I understand it, and yes, no shite it was a win for Brady too, no shite any deal with Brees would be a win for him as well. I've said this all along you dense motherfricker! No shite Brees would take an extension that benefited Brees, but would also have to benefit the team. The Saints stated they were not looking to do anything with Brees' contract. No where did they say they did not want to or who's decision that was or why, so your last statement is merely an opinion that you choose to state as fact while you gargle Drew's jizz in your mouth.

I'm done wasting my time with you.

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Posted on 3/13/15 at 2:31 pm to Lake Vegas Tiger

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Do the board a favor and quit posting

Agreed.

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Posted by TigerBait1127

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Posted on 3/13/15 at 2:50 pm to s_i5

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Once again, no shite they backload contracts for cap purposes, but his contract was frontloaded in the amount of cash he got up front and the percentage of his guaranteed money.

Show me some contracts that don't have a large % of money coming early on.

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He got 40 million the first year, he had another 20 million guaranteed if injured. Why the frick else would they get rid of him after 2012??

I literally posted the link and quoted it for you. You disputed my claim that he had the same waiver in 2013

You can't even admit when you're wrong

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The dead cap hit in 2013 is what I stated, you can believe whatever the frick you want, but it what it is.

If we had to pay him an extra $20 million like you claimed, the dead money would have equaled $49.6 million. It is basic math

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The Saints stated they were not looking to do anything with Brees' contract. No where did they say they did not want to or who's decision that was or why, so your last statement is merely an opinion that you choose to state as fact while you gargle Drew's jizz in your mouth.

Wait, you just admitted in the previous sentence:

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Once once again, Yes I know what Brady did just recently, yes
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I understand it, and yes, no shite it was a win for Brady too, no shite any deal with Brees would be a win for him as well. I've said this all along you dense motherfricker!
No shite Brees would take an extension that benefited Brees, but would also have to benefit the team. T

Dude, you said this earlier:

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Brees seems unwilling to do a Brady type deal for some reason.

Is that not also an opinion?

You've mentioned Brady's willingness to take the deal as a knock against Brees. Who wouldn't take the deal they offered Brady? It guaranteed the remaining contract as an upfront signing bonus and maintained his level of pay while being guaranteed against injury

So angry for someone who can't do basic math.

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