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did DA have a good hiring and firing record on picking coaches with the raiders
Posted on 2/6/24 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 2/6/24 at 6:11 pm
just curious, for those who know, did he make any good coaching hires there before he was fired?
just trying to get a read on what his record was as far as him selecting his coaching staff there
just trying to get a read on what his record was as far as him selecting his coaching staff there
This post was edited on 2/7/24 at 2:02 pm
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Posted on 2/6/24 at 6:13 pm to keakar
However good they were he pulled them up by the roots.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 6:46 pm to goatmilker
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However good they were he pulled them up by the roots.
just curious if he ever showed good judgement there is all
Posted on 2/6/24 at 7:08 pm to keakar
He didn’t have 1st or 2nd round picks his first season and salary cap issues. The Raiders job was set up for failure
Posted on 2/6/24 at 7:12 pm to keakar
his first time drafting the Raiders didn't have a pick until the 3rd round.
I don't recognize any of the names that they picked that year off the top of my head.
His second draft they picked Latavius Murray in the 6th round. Don't recognize any other names.
His third draft they picked Khalil Mack round 1, Carr Round 2, and Gabe Jackson guard out of Miss. State in Round 3.
I don't recognize any of the names that they picked that year off the top of my head.
His second draft they picked Latavius Murray in the 6th round. Don't recognize any other names.
His third draft they picked Khalil Mack round 1, Carr Round 2, and Gabe Jackson guard out of Miss. State in Round 3.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 8:29 pm to LooseCannon22282
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his first time drafting
guys, the question was about him hiring his coaching staff, not about drafting players
Posted on 2/6/24 at 8:36 pm to keakar
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guys, the question was about him hiring his coaching staff,
Well how do you judge that but by the only metric that counts wins vs loses?
Posted on 2/6/24 at 8:37 pm to keakar
a simple look at profootballreference will give you the names of the coordinators he had working for him.
who wants to go dumpster diving for coaching hires that go back 12 years?
who wants to go dumpster diving for coaching hires that go back 12 years?
Posted on 2/6/24 at 8:53 pm to keakar
Nick Holz, young guy who the titans just hired for OC
Bobby April
Bobby April
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:39 pm to keakar
In two years he’s fired both his defensive and offensive coordinators. He had the choice of hiring whoever he wanted the first go around.
He’s in way over his head and shoujd have been flushed after the year.
He’s in way over his head and shoujd have been flushed after the year.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:42 pm to Townedrunkard
He IS the DC you braindead idiot. It’s his defense
Posted on 2/7/24 at 2:09 am to goatmilker
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Well how do you judge that but by the only metric that counts wins vs loses?
i thought it was a simple question
did he hire any good coaches while he was there?
him being a bad HC coach is a known thing, we have a good sample of that
but i dont know if he hired bad coaches there.
were his coaching staff hires there just all bad coaches from the start.
just wondering if he did a decent job hiring coaches or not.
even good coaches can fail without having the right players to run their plays. so im trying to give the benefit of doubt hiring these coaches now.
i dont think this is ML that is doing the coaching hires, i think ML is giving DA a chance to pick his new staff
if no one knows his reputation on hires thats fine, it was a while back after all.
This post was edited on 2/7/24 at 2:12 am
Posted on 2/7/24 at 7:39 am to Townedrunkard
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In two years he’s fired both his defensive and offensive coordinators. He had the choice of hiring whoever he wanted the first go around.
I don't believe that is factual. DA was the "keep the culture going" coach hire. If his first thing he did was clean house, it defeats the purpose of hiring him. Now that he is in year 3, it makes sense that he is building the team the way he wants it, for better or worse.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 9:07 am to keakar
It may be a simple question, but it's also one that I doubt anyone on this board could ever know. How involved was DA in the decision making process for his coaching staff? The Davis' have been known to intervene in a lot of the decisions and want input/control. How much of that is because of the way Al ran the team and is being projected onto Mark, and how much of that did Mark carry over when he became owner in 2011 (DA was Mark's 1st head coach hire)?
Posted on 2/7/24 at 9:11 am to saints5021
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I don't believe that is factual. DA was the "keep the culture going" coach hire. If his first thing he did was clean house, it defeats the purpose of hiring him. Now that he is in year 3, it makes sense that he is building the team the way he wants it, for better or worse.
This. Mickey made him the HC based on the agreement that he would maintain continuity. After two years of offensive mediocrity, he's finally allowing Allen a chance to go get who he wants. Year 3 will be a make or break year...if the offense doesn't improve then Allen is done.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 9:14 am to iBack8569
I would like to know one day who really wanted Pete on staff more...Loomis or DA. It cost DA two years and maybe his job.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 9:14 am to Townedrunkard
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In two years he’s fired both his defensive and offensive coordinators. He had the choice of hiring whoever he wanted the first go around.
Coaches make bad hires all the time, the key is being able to admit your mistakes and make the difficult decsisons when to move on. It was also widely rumoured that Pete was forced onto DA as Mickey lead the "keep the culture" charge when he hired DA. I am not sure on who made the decision for the Co-DC, but again those were promotions within to "keep the culture". Nielson leaving was not him getting fired, he had an opportunity to be a DC (which is a promotion from Co-DC).
I don't recall what happened with Richard, he may have been fired, but it appears he stepped away from football. I do not see any records of him coaching at any position in NFL or College in 2023 or 2024. Very rarely do you see someone that was a coordinator not at least land as a position coach somewhere 1-2 years after unless they are no longer pursuing coaching (especially in their mid-40s).
Posted on 2/7/24 at 11:12 am to keakar
The board doesn’t know who did the hiring and firing when he was with the raiders.
Just like most teams it can be the owner, GM, HC, etc or combination.
Just like most teams it can be the owner, GM, HC, etc or combination.
Posted on 2/7/24 at 11:34 am to Weekend Warrior79
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It may be a simple question, but it's also one that I doubt anyone on this board could ever know. How involved was DA in the decision making process for his coaching staff? The Davis' have been known to intervene in a lot of the decisions and want input/control. How much of that is because of the way Al ran the team and is being projected onto Mark, and how much of that did Mark carry over when he became owner in 2011 (DA was Mark's 1st head coach hire)?
that is a good point i forgot about.
al is a well known meddler just like jerry jones is so i guess its not an easy question to answer.
This post was edited on 2/7/24 at 11:57 am
Posted on 2/7/24 at 12:25 pm to keakar
How can you quantify a good hiring and firing record if he's never had a winning season????? One would summize his record on everything is HORRIBLE!
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