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Posted on 6/29/15 at 1:28 pm to
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 6/29/15 at 1:28 pm to
Mainly addressing the ideal that if I don't agree with you, be it life style or whatever, it's assumed I hate you, so I'm automatically labeled a bigot. Yet, there are people who go at it purely from hate, so rock and a hard place.

There are good arguments in the middle from both sides that hardly get heard because the fringe idiots won't stop shouting.
Posted by Hazelnut
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Posted on 6/29/15 at 1:29 pm to
Completely agree.
Posted by potent357
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Posted on 6/29/15 at 1:33 pm to
What is Ernie Conwell's stance on God hating figs?
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:12 pm to
It bugs me that dumb people are raving about how "brilliant" he is (forcing "big words" into a spot where a "regular" would would suffice does not automatically make a writer "brilliant). So I guess I"m hating on him in that regard. I won't even get into him out-Fitzgeralding F. Scott Fitzgerald by averaging 4.3 commas per fricking sentence.

And I also stand by the fact that he's basically being a trapeze artist for 4,000 words and bending and anecdoting and "struggling" visibly to act like he's wrestling this great dilemma.... but in the end "God hates figs" is what he gives us.

It's really the most annoying thing I've ever seen on Facebook - his theatrics, the arse-kissing by all the born agains and conservative football fans who buy into it, and ultimately the retarded conclusion that he comes to "as hard as I try, the Bible still says this is a sin and so it's a sin".

But he has a right to disapprove of gay marriage and stupid people have a right to "like" it, and Peter King has a right to hire Benjamin Watson to write for his crappy MMQB site when he retires in 4 years.

Just out of curiosity, does anybody remember both Ernie Conwell and Heath Evans pulling this same crap with the Saints? They both came in and immediately annointed themselves as some "conscious of the franchise" and it just bugs me. I know that some of you got annoyed with Heath Evans, but does anybody else remember Conwell doing this crap?
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 3:16 pm
Posted by TigerBait1127
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Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:12 pm to
I don't agree with his opinion, but it is just that, his opinion. I thought he presented it respectfully

quote:

Though, I've had acquaintances from time to time, I do not have many friends who openly identify as gay. Last year an NFL player, told the world he was in a relationship with with another man. While the television display was less than tasteful, after hearing his story, I experienced much internal conflict with my feelings on the subject in light of my convictions. Ironically we played his team in the preseason and I encountered him again at an awards show the next year. In putting a face with a name, assigning tangible humanity to this controversial and difficult issue my heart in some small way understood the struggle for those who care deeply about their friends and family who have chosen this lifestyle. I realized my shortcomings in this area, understanding that these relational and romantic bonds, although different from mine, are just as strong. I was wrong and was compelled to grow in my compassion and love for these individuals.

In spite of how we feel, though, God created one man and one woman, joining them together as an earthly picture of Christ and his bride, the church. Though we fall short, THIS is marriage, and there is no alternative. While man governs the practice of this institution it is and will forever be divine in origin. The challenge is to never compromise the truth but to speak the truth in love and compassion understanding that we all stand before a just God in need of his grace and forgiveness. It is not a time to be frustrated about the outcome, as if we can control a world that God gave free will, but to instead celebrate the fact that He is still on the throne, that the Gospel always will be our saving grace, and that because of His mercy, Love Wins.



Also, he isn't going anywhere. The locker room loves him and Drew Brees loves him. Then again, you hate Drew too
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 3:15 pm
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:13 pm to
quote:

God hates figs


OK, someone link me his comments. No way that's the message he put out there.
Posted by TigerBait1127
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Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:16 pm to
I linked the last 2 paragraphs above, here is the rest:

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The pressure of conformity is overwhelming at times. In light of the recent court interpretation of the constitution, the pressure is more intense than ever. Compassion, an important virtue, for our fellow man compels us to consider the feelings, plight, and desires of others in controversial times. Like a deceptive undertow along the seashore, though, emotions can sometimes carry us away, appealing to our human longing to be a part of something bigger than ourselves. A movement, a cause, or a certain political position, give us a chance to make our mark, to make our difference and to be noticed among the generation. With emotions and tempers flaring, venom and accusations in the air, and the battle lines being drawn more clearly each passing moment, I find it of utmost importance, now more than ever, to return to truth. Throughout this process, the years long debate to redefine marriage, I regret that I have had more disdain for those who engage in a same sex attraction lifestyle than I have had for those who engage in a number of other outright violations of the Word of God like drunkenness, idolatry, or adultery (1 Corinthians 6). It is a constant battle to extend the same grace to those I struggle to understand as to those who's sin strongholds I can identify with. It is NOT my job to hate, disparage, or condemn anyone. I lack a hell to send anyone to, or an achieved righteousness by my own merit from which I can justifiably fire accusatory arrows at anyone. It IS my job, however, to hold truth in its proper place and to call myself and others to the standards set forth in God's word, the only absolute in a world of opinion.

Relative morality is as capricious as the wind, leaving each generation to do what is right in their own eyes, while unknowingly undermining the exact concept of "right" that they are so desperately trying to attain. Instead of shooting for the mark, we lower it, doing what is good for "us" at the time, effectually creating our own truth, which when taken to its logical conclusion is always problematic.

We, as a nation, have continued our course into dangerous waters, shaking our fist and becoming our own gods. This individual Supreme Court ruling is not the cause, but simply evidence of how far we've gradually drifted. The moral decay of America is not unlike moral decay in my own life, as I continually battle against self rule. It's a gradual decline. The tire usually doesn't spontaneously blow out. No, it's an aggravating slow leak, that needs constant refilling of air, until eventually, busyness takes precedence and the now unattended to tire is completely flat. Life's proverbial morality tire responds in much the same way. It's neglecting to read and respect the Bible. It's listening to or watching things that aren't uplifting. It's allowing myself a second look. It's removing prayer from schools and our homes. It's legalizing the murder of babies in the womb. It's glorifying promiscuity and reducing sex to a simple physical animalistic act. It's objectifying woman and praising the "playa". It's condoning divorce. It's standing by in silence. It's ignoring the promptings of the Spirit. It's Christians, myself included, not living like Christians.

Attempting to normalize illegitimate behavior by law does not make it acceptable. Moral law transcends, civil law and will continue to do so in all realms, not just sexuality. Before God, my lustful heart, pride, and selfishness, are not acceptable no matter how I or anyone else try to rationalize it. The manifestations of my sin nature, the carnal desires and appetites of the flesh, although binding and seemingly inescapable are not subsequently acceptable to act on, even though they seem to be natural or biological urges.
Love truly IS the greatest gift of all. It never fails and covers a multitude of sins. Ultimately Love DOES Win. But Love wins us with compassion, not endorsement. Love wins us with sacrifice, not self gain. Love wins with understanding, not compromise. Love wins with brokenness over sin, not jealous anger because "we lost." Love wins with adherence to truth no matter the cost because love cares about the well being and not necessarily the HAPPINESS of its subjects.

Above all else we must love or neighbors as ourselves, yet we can not fully do this unless we love God first. (Mark 13:30,31)

It is only through knowing God, loving him with our heart, mind and soul, and seeing His great acts of love for us that we understand the fullness of what love really is.

Today, I am not disappointed because of the possible restrictions on religious exercise, the inevitable categorization of biblical teaching as hate speech and pastors as bigots, the shift in American culture, its implications and the judicial and legislative process that has brought us to this point. I am, however, saddened because of the corporate celebration and glorification of sin which renders us separated from our Creator, exposed to the natural consequences of our actions and in desperate need of a spiritual renewal and revival.

Though, I've had acquaintances from time to time, I do not have many friends who openly identify as gay. Last year an NFL player, told the world he was in a relationship with with another man. While the television display was less than tasteful, after hearing his story, I experienced much internal conflict with my feelings on the subject in light of my convictions. Ironically we played his team in the preseason and I encountered him again at an awards show the next year. In putting a face with a name, assigning tangible humanity to this controversial and difficult issue my heart in some small way understood the struggle for those who care deeply about their friends and family who have chosen this lifestyle. I realized my shortcomings in this area, understanding that these relational and romantic bonds, although different from mine, are just as strong. I was wrong and was compelled to grow in my compassion and love for these individuals.

In spite of how we feel, though, God created one man and one woman, joining them together as an earthly picture of Christ and his bride, the church. Though we fall short, THIS is marriage, and there is no alternative. While man governs the practice of this institution it is and will forever be divine in origin. The challenge is to never compromise the truth but to speak the truth in love and compassion understanding that we all stand before a just God in need of his grace and forgiveness. It is not a time to be frustrated about the outcome, as if we can control a world that God gave free will, but to instead celebrate the fact that He is still on the throne, that the Gospel always will be our saving grace, and that because of His mercy, Love Wins.

Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:17 pm to
quote:

It's really the most annoying thing I've ever seen on Facebook - his theatrics, the arse-kissing by all the born agains and conservative football fans who buy into it, and ultimately the retarded conclusion that he comes to "as hard as I try, the Bible still says this is a sin and so it's a sin".



You realize you can hide anything related to Watson from your facebook feed.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:18 pm to
He obviously doesn't literally say that, but my point is that in the end that's where he winds up. "I can't condone or support same sex marriage becuz BIBLE".

There is no intelligent defense for not supporting gay marriage unless it's a legal argument. All moral or religious arguments are destined to failure because of the inherent inconsistencies in either your own life or within the holy book that you're basing your beliefs/feelings on. I guess this exposes my own biases though so for that I'm as guilty as well.
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 3:20 pm
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:19 pm to
So he said nothing of the sort. Got it.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:24 pm to
quote:

What is Ernie Conwell's stance on God hating figs?



He definitely believes that God hates them.

quote:

The only one that can fill that is Jesus Christ. So if you're searching out there and you're hungry for something, I'm here to tell you that the truth and that the answer, that fulfillment in your life is only going to come through a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, and if you accept him today, your life will never be the same."
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:24 pm to
Honestly, I hate the anti-gay movement

This is one of the few times I've really seen someone try to intelligently state an opposition while actually trying to respect the gays and represent them as actual people.

I still think his logic is terrible, and that he's wrong, but this country could solve issues a lot better by his approach to an argument and not just yelling and insulting the opposing views.
Posted by sicboy
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:26 pm to
quote:

He definitely believes that God hates them


You forgot to quote the part where he actually says that.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:30 pm to
quote:

You forgot to quote the part where he actually says that.



okay
Posted by Hazelnut
Member since May 2011
16433 posts
Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:33 pm to
quote:


It bugs me that dumb people are raving about how "brilliant" he is (forcing "big words" into a spot where a "regular" would would suffice does not automatically make a writer "brilliant). So I guess I"m hating on him in that regard. I won't even get into him out-Fitzgeralding F. Scott Fitzgerald by averaging 4.3 commas per fricking sentence.

Okay so his grammar (which is still much better than many NFL players) annoys you. Cool.

quote:

but in the end "God hates figs" is what he gives us. 

If that's what you got out of it, your reading comprehension sucks. Saying homosexuality is a sin or that God disapproves of it does not mean "God hates figs." Again, you're resorting to hatred when someone shares an opinion you disagree with.


quote:

It's really the most annoying thing I've ever seen on Facebook - his theatrics, the arse-kissing by all the born agains and conservative football fans who buy into it, and ultimately the retarded conclusion that he comes to "as hard as I try, the Bible still says this is a sin and so it's a sin". 

First off, it's Facebook. So you're gonna have dumb people responding to most stuff like this. If you let some Facebook comments upset you, you need to rethink your priorities. Second, it just seems like you're trying to find reasons to be upset just because you disagree with him.
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:33 pm to
So you're using Westboro as an example of all Christians. Got it.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:37 pm to
quote:

So you're using Westboro as an example of all Christians. Got it.



No, not all. Not Catholics or Presbyterians or Methodists or Episcopalians or some Lutherans. But most Evangelicals, Baptists, and prayin' in tongues, waitin' fer the Rapture Christians ultimately share Westboro's belief system that it's an "abomination unto God".
Posted by Hazelnut
Member since May 2011
16433 posts
Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:40 pm to
quote:

No, not all. Not Catholics or Presbyterians or Methodists or Episcopalians or some Lutherans. But most Evangelicals, Baptists, and prayin' in tongues, waitin' fer the Rapture Christians ultimately share Westboro's belief system that it's an "abomination unto God".

So you just grouped Westboros beliefs with Evangelicals, Baptist, etc? Wow.
Posted by SirWinston
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Member since Jul 2014
81851 posts
Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:43 pm to
Just on this one teeny issue. I wish I hadn't made this post. It's an awful post and I'll just do everybody a favor at this point and STFU, with my apologies and promises to be a better poster with the season fast approaching.

Bottom line: Watson has the right to believe/say whatever he wants and I should just shut up. :geauxsaints:
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 3:44 pm
Posted by sicboy
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Member since Nov 2010
77620 posts
Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:49 pm to
It's the sin, not the sinner. Sounds super cliche, but it's true, and again, a lot on both sides miss this message.
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