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Why are so many pro athletes mentally fragile?

Posted on 4/12/23 at 8:36 am
Posted by L5ut1g3r
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 8:36 am
Zion, Ben Simmons, Kyrie, the list goes on and on, why are these elite athletes so intent on sabotaging themselves? You have access to the best of everything, chefs, trainers, coaching, etc. The media has pushed the mental health narrative so much that now it’s the easiest excuse when something doesn’t go your way. It seems to be a basketball problem more so than any other sport. Is it because so much money is guaranteed that no one cares if they know they are getting paid regardless?
Posted by saints5021
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 8:40 am to
I blame AAU. Zion has been in the spotlight with everyone telling him he was the next Jordan since he was 14. His dbag step father has been treating him like an asset since he was a kid.
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 8:44 am to
Imagine being Uber successful in every stage of your life’s career. People telling you how great you are constantly. All of a sudden you hit adversity and have no idea how to deal with it.
Posted by ghost2most
Member since Mar 2012
6572 posts
Posted on 4/12/23 at 8:47 am to
Same reason most child actors/singers flame out.

It's not healthy to be coddled, given everything at that young an age. They have no grasp on reality or the real world and no ability to handle adversity.

It's not a coincidence that some of the most talented are the most fragile and the ones that have to scrape by on guts and effort are ok.

But there are exceptions obviously.

Look at Nance. Probably grew up pretty wealthy and had a very famous father and he's grounded and normal.

Jax meanwhile is a basketcase.
This post was edited on 4/12/23 at 8:49 am
Posted by classy
Member since Dec 2011
559 posts
Posted on 4/12/23 at 8:52 am to
Happens all the time to great talents. Considering how young NBA players are coupled with the fact that it’s the first time they’re really challenged, many haven’t had to face adversity or injury or a coach demanding more. That’s the recipe for failure. If you haven’t failed many times, the way to deal with failure is foreign. For Zion, it’s not really been failure but injury. Many don’t ever bounce back that way. Tough love right now is needed. If he doesn’t respond to that it’s time to move on. Harsh reality of big money NBA.
Posted by LouisianaJoseph
Denver
Member since Apr 2018
1392 posts
Posted on 4/12/23 at 9:10 am to
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many haven’t had to face adversity or injury or a coach demanding more.

This sounds ridiculous, you think a guy who's made it to the top 1% of athletes in the world has never faced adversity, injuries, and demanding coaches? Lmao wtf I'd wrong with this board.
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2010
6860 posts
Posted on 4/12/23 at 9:25 am to
After reading further quotes, I’m pretty sure he was just trying to say

“When I suffered a setback in February it was while doing a normal Zion basketball move. Now in 3 on 3 I’m hesitating when I go to do similar types of moves on the court. I’m afraid that this combined with my first playoff experience will end up with me looking lost out there and hurting the team in the process. I don’t feel like myself, kind of in my own head about it.”


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"It's a little bit of a mental battle, because you know when I reaggravated [the injury] back in February, it was tough," Williamson said. "So when I go to make certain moves, there is that hesitation. Sometimes there's not and sometimes there is. And I understand the magnitude of these games coming up and I don't want to be out there hesitating or doing something that may affect my team in a bad way.


I've seen similar things in the past, usually for more gruesome injuries, but at least this isn't Kahwi and The Spurs
This post was edited on 4/12/23 at 9:29 am
Posted by longhorn22
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 9:28 am to
They likely have always been, but now it is "the right thing" to come out and seek treatment etc. Whereas in the past they likely would have just pushed through and got through things.

We all go through shite in our lives and if we all just said "no not today"...or "I'll do it when I feel like myself again"....then imagine the world we would live in and if we would even have jobs if we told our bosses that.

Posted by longhorn22
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 9:30 am to
quote:

Imagine being Uber successful in every stage of your life’s career. People telling you how great you are constantly. All of a sudden you hit adversity and have no idea how to deal with it.


HS - Attended a private majority WHITE school? Dominated the guys around him with his freakish abilities due to how "different" he was.

College - Went to Dook where he was glorified and put on this pedestal that he is also untouchable and was coddled.

NBA - Went to a franchise where they HAD to select him in order to boost morale around a franchise that had just gone through so much with their superstar not wanting to be there, so they needed to sell tickets to the "freak show"...

Sad but all of that is true.
Posted by red sox fan 13
Valley Park
Member since Aug 2018
15349 posts
Posted on 4/12/23 at 10:01 am to
I understand the points being made in this thread regarded Zion being coddled since childhood. But call me old school, when you are paid millions of dollars to play basketball, and are healthy and able, you should do the bare minimum and show up to your job. Healthy players sitting out is an affront to teammates and the people who spend their hard earned money to go to these games.
Posted by classy
Member since Dec 2011
559 posts
Posted on 4/12/23 at 10:40 am to
Been in this game over 40 years and seen it all at every level. The top 1% in the NBA are able to handle adversity. Go watch Tony Robichaux YouTube video on why 48% of baseball athletes aren’t from the US. It’s the same deal.
Posted by classy
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 10:44 am to
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Posted by BeachDude022
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 11:12 am to
Remember Simone Biles losing it before the Olympics? These athletes nowadays are mental midgets.
Posted by LSUFreek
Greater New Orleans
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 1:06 pm to
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These athletes nowadays are mental midgets.

They are a product of their generation.

This generation grew up wearing knee pads, elbow pads & a helmet to ride a tricycle, given 3 antibiotic prescriptions for a sneeze, got trophies for coming in last place, and believe words are more violent than sticks & stones.

It's no wonder they are mentally softer than satin.
Posted by kpop1
Member since Jan 2018
1650 posts
Posted on 4/12/23 at 1:39 pm to
It is definitely a sign of the times. In years past, the leaders led and were the voice of the weak. Now, true leaders don't lead. The weak are the voice. It is all a product of the way we fear verbal retribution for every aspect of our lives. It is accepted to have a participation trophy; to decide you don't want to do something, and there is always someone agreeing (usually a subordinate) that; yes, you should not have to do anything you are not feeling good about. We now fold under pressures that the past generations were not as willing to accept.

Oh, well.
Posted by PUB
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
18181 posts
Posted on 4/12/23 at 1:57 pm to
All that talent at Duke and did not win jack shite either.
Posted by paulb52
Member since Dec 2019
3653 posts
Posted on 4/12/23 at 2:09 pm to
Solve that with “no play, no pay” Regular salary only applies if you are on active roster to play. Down time reverts to league minimum. See how fast they recover.
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
12720 posts
Posted on 4/12/23 at 2:11 pm to
Cause you can get away with it and still get rewarded handsomely with very little consequence if you’re talented enough.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 4/12/23 at 2:50 pm to
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Is it because so much money is guaranteed that no one cares if they know they are getting paid regardless?


“It’s hard to get out of bed to do road work at 5 am when you’ve been sleeping in silk pajamas.” Marvelous Marvin Hagler

That’s certainly part of it. Some NBA guys probably don’t even like basketball, they do it strictly for the money. Some guys just like to hoop. Some want to be good. Some want to be great. Very few HAVE to be great, are obsessed with it. It’s why a Lebron, Kobe, Jordan, Bird, Magic, Kareem, Russell, etc…only come around every generation or so. There are probably guys with the drive like them that just lack the physical attributes to achieve that. But there are also a lot with similar attributes that didn’t—or don’t—have the drive. Especially in the era of guaranteed max contracts exceeding 100s of millions of dollars.

I think MJ would have had the same career if he’d have made a million dollars a game. That’s not what drove him (and he was probably making that much from Nike by the time he started winning anyway). But say what you will about Lebron—and I am no fan—but to play at the level he has, for as long as he has, with as much money as he has, and the 4 titles, says a lot about his drive, regardless of what you think his motivations are. Same with Kobe.

There’s a story about Kobe I tell my son. Not sure where I heard it or if it’s even true. But he was at the back end of his career, playing on Team USA (probably an Olympics, but not sure) with Lebron and Wade and a some other younger guys. They had won a game or a round or something and had the next day off and everybody went out to celebrate/party. Except Kobe. They all are coming in to the hotel hammered around 4 am. They pass Kobe in the lobby. He had his bag on his way to the gym to get up some shots and work out.

Some people want to be great. Some people HAVE to. Kobe HAD to. (And I was not a big Kobe fan while he was playing). And if you take the money carrot off the string after all these guys are multi millionaires many times over, the ones who still HAVE to be great are truly special.
Posted by Jojodaddy
Member since Dec 2015
319 posts
Posted on 4/12/23 at 2:54 pm to
I don’t think it’s so many. It probably matches up pretty well with what percentage of the general population is mentally fragile. The real question is l, why is that percentage increasing? The answer is the same for athletes and non-athletes… because they’ve been coddled and praised and arse kissed like no other generation has before.
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