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Posted on 11/19/12 at 9:02 am to MrLSU
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Monty said last week that he isn't expecting him for another 6 weeks at best.
Link? I haven't seen that and based on your anti Gordon post history I'm assuming it's an attempt at sarcasm.
We were told 4-6 weeks on November 5th. LINK
4 Weeks would be December 3rd and 6 would be December 17th.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 9:58 am to TigerinATL
I wont believe this dude is playing till I see him on the court. No way this guy is out for this long without having a really big vagina.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 10:51 am to TigerinATL
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Link? I haven't seen that
Nola.com story from last week quoted monty saying that he's hearing it's still 4-6 weeks. Confusing phrasing, but 90% sure Monty was referring to the original 4-6 week timeline, not 4-6 weeks from the day he was quoted.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:05 am to JohnnyKilroy
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90% sure Monty was referring to the original 4-6 week timeline, not 4-6 weeks from the day he was quoted.
It sounds like the treatment he is receiving is to strengthen the surrounding knee so I don't think there'd be any set backs just 2 weeks in. I'm assuming after the 4-6 weeks he'll give practicing a try and then you'd see if there was a set back or not. And if there was a set back I don't think you'd get "4-6 more weeks" I think you'd get "indefinitely". If that ESPN story on microfracture surgery was to be believed, a set back could mean he's done for the year.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:09 am to TigerinATL
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If that ESPN story on microfracture surgery was to be believed, a set back could mean he's done for the year.
If that is the case, who is most to blame? Demps or the Hornets medical staff?
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:21 am to JohnnyKilroy
The lack of information really is ridiculous. If they don't know how long he will be out, why even give a 4-6 week timeline.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:21 am to JohnnyKilroy
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If that is the case, who is most to blame? Demps or the Hornets medical staff?
It's still too early for the blame game. This season and next are all about growing the young core, not making the playoffs, so if Gordon is ready to go or dumpable next year then I think it was a risk worth taking. If you're stuck with Gordon for 4 years or have to give up a good asset to move him then I think you have to blame Demps. He should have known better and he could have gotten different team doctors.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:32 am to TigerinATL
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It's still too early for the blame game. This season and next are all about growing the young core, not making the playoffs,
Oh I completely agree with that. I'm just terrified of a Brandon Roy situation.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:43 am to JohnnyKilroy
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I'm just terrified of a Brandon Roy situation.
Brandon Roy has structural damage, he has no meniscus left in either knee and every time he moves there's bone on bone grinding. For Eric Gordon, the treatment and what we've been told point to Tendonitis which is a very treatable condition.
The microfracture story A) Came out of nowhere B) Didn't seem to fit the other facts so far and C) Came from Chris Broussard who's track record is pretty terrible. So if the microfracture story is bogus, which seems likely, then there is nothing to worry about long term other than his general injury proneness.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 11:55 am to TigerinATL
People pick on the medical staff, again, as if that's been a constant fixture for the team, and as if they have any training in diagnostics.
Are there issues stemming from that of the medical staff? Absolutely. And the same is true for every aspect of the franchise . . . not department is perfect.
Did the past near-year of stuff with Gordon prove they are fools? No. The patient determines what information is given to the staff and has input on treatment options, especially when choosing between a surgical and nonsurgical route.
At no point in this has there been any allegation of malpractice. There are symptoms, causes are hypothesized, and treatments are administered based on these hypothesis. And it goes from there.
People need to learn a little about a field before they drag the practitioners through the mud.
Are there issues stemming from that of the medical staff? Absolutely. And the same is true for every aspect of the franchise . . . not department is perfect.
Did the past near-year of stuff with Gordon prove they are fools? No. The patient determines what information is given to the staff and has input on treatment options, especially when choosing between a surgical and nonsurgical route.
At no point in this has there been any allegation of malpractice. There are symptoms, causes are hypothesized, and treatments are administered based on these hypothesis. And it goes from there.
People need to learn a little about a field before they drag the practitioners through the mud.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 12:00 pm to 42
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Did the past near-year of stuff with Gordon prove they are fools? No. The patient determines what information is given to the staff and has input on treatment options, especially when choosing between a surgical and nonsurgical route.
At no point in this has there been any allegation of malpractice. There are symptoms, causes are hypothesized, and treatments are administered based on these hypothesis. And it goes from there.
People need to learn a little about a field before they drag the practitioners through the mud.
Don't you want to throw in an obligatory defense of McNamara?
This post was edited on 11/19/12 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 11/19/12 at 12:03 pm to 42
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Did the past near-year of stuff with Gordon prove they are fools? No
Did the past 6 years of Gordon, Paul, Chandler, Peja, etc prove that they are NOT fools? Nope
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The patient determines what information is given to the staff and has input on treatment options, especially when choosing between a surgical and nonsurgical route.
Thanks for the lesson, House.
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At no point in this has there been any allegation of malpractice
So? Substandard care does not equal malpractice.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 12:13 pm to Jester
And where is the self-promotion?
I'm not an MD, and will never be. No one in my family is an MD. None of my friends are MD's.
Trying picking on the assessment, not me . . . oh, wait, you already tried and failed.
Again, the staff isn't the same, and you are again mistaking the diagnostic process in real life with errors. Just learn about the topic before you dive in, or just asked the question necessary to learn.
And calm yourself.
ETA: edited out the self-promotion false claim. at least there is that.
I'm not an MD, and will never be. No one in my family is an MD. None of my friends are MD's.
Trying picking on the assessment, not me . . . oh, wait, you already tried and failed.
Again, the staff isn't the same, and you are again mistaking the diagnostic process in real life with errors. Just learn about the topic before you dive in, or just asked the question necessary to learn.
And calm yourself.
ETA: edited out the self-promotion false claim. at least there is that.
This post was edited on 11/19/12 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 11/19/12 at 12:24 pm to 42
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And where is the self-promotion?
ETA: edited out the self-promotion false claim. at least there is that.
I edited that out to be nice. Sorry, but 247 sucks and your endless defense of all things 247 leads to you sucking. I take that obsessive defending as you trying to legitimize your own writing by legitimizing your site. That was just an aside.
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Trying picking on the assessment, not me . . . oh, wait, you already tried and failed.
Your assessment is bullshite and just your opinion. You don't know shite and writing for 247 doesn't change that. Stop acting like you are some super insider, because everyone can see through it. You're a glorified blogger.
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Again, the staff isn't the same, and you are again mistaking the diagnostic process in real life with errors. Just learn about the topic before you dive in, or just asked the question necessary to learn.
What do you know about the "diagnostic process"? No more than any other poster on this site. Or has Dell entrusted you with the secrets to Gordon's knee?
Posted on 11/19/12 at 12:27 pm to Jester
i can't wait for this EG shite to be done so that not every fricking thread turns into the same debate. it's getting out of hand.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 12:29 pm to 42
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People need to learn a little about a field before they drag the practitioners through the mud.
We have pretty much 3 possibilities to explain this bad situation. Bad Player, Bad Medical, Bad PR. 4 possibilities if you allow some combination. Pointing out these possibilities and asking questions is not the same thing as dragging a practitioner through the mud. I would have no problem asking anything I've posted directly to a team doctor. Their reply might be that my assumption is wrong and I'll have learned something, but asking reasonable questions on an internet message board when there is a glaring lack of answers shouldn't be viewed as an act of malice.
This post was edited on 11/19/12 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 11/19/12 at 12:36 pm to TigerinATL
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We have pretty much 3 possibilities to explain this bad situation. Bad Player, Bad Medical, Bad PR. 4 possibilities if you allow some combination. Pointing out these possibilities and asking questions is not the same thing as dragging a practitioner through the mud. I would have no problem asking anything I've posted directly to a team doctor. Their reply might be that my assumption is wrong and I'll have learned something, but asking reasonable questions on an internet message board when there is a glaring lack of answers shouldn't be viewed as an act of malice.
That's the part that got me fired up. Asking legitimate questions is not tantamount to "dragging through mud."
Posted on 11/19/12 at 12:41 pm to Jester
And I think it was aimed at me, or at least should have been aimed at me, because I'll admit I've asked repeatedly about the competency of the medical staff, but I think the questions have been reasonable given the limited facts we have available to us.
Posted on 11/19/12 at 12:43 pm to TigerinATL
I'd venture to say we shouldn't rule out aliens as a 5th possibility.
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