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The worst stat in basketball?? +/-
Posted on 3/29/24 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 3/29/24 at 12:40 pm
+/- is a bs stat imagined by someone who either never played basketball or made up something to try and be relevant.
Hawkins was +10
Naji was +12
AJ Green (who!?!?) was +4
Zion was -2
Herb Jones was -2
Giannis was -2
Please explain how this stat is actually relevant????
Hawkins was +10
Naji was +12
AJ Green (who!?!?) was +4
Zion was -2
Herb Jones was -2
Giannis was -2
Please explain how this stat is actually relevant????
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Posted on 3/29/24 at 12:43 pm to M3From225
Probably better to look at that stat from a whole season perspective vs a single game sample.
Posted on 3/29/24 at 12:55 pm to M3From225
3pt% is a bs stat imagined by someone who either never played basketball or made up something to try and be relevant.
Steph curry 37.5%
Gui Santos 50%
Jonathan Isaac 67%
Please explain how this stat is actually relevant????
Steph curry 37.5%
Gui Santos 50%
Jonathan Isaac 67%
Please explain how this stat is actually relevant????
Posted on 3/29/24 at 12:55 pm to M3From225
It's an ice hockey stat that has plenty of relevance in that sport, since whole lines are substituted at once and not individual players. In basketball it's useless.
Posted on 3/29/24 at 12:56 pm to M3From225
Winning the minutes that you are on the floor is a pretty relevant stat if you ask me.
It doesn’t make much sense to use it for players that only played 5 minutes and/or garbage time.
But it is definitely useful for 1-8 rotation guys. Occasionally it won’t make much sense game to game, but over the course of the season, the very best players and bench players in the nba should have some of the top plus/minus numbers.
Even if you are on a poor team like the Wizards or Pistons, but are still having a good individual season, you might still have a negative plus/minus, but it will still likely be better than the rest of your teammates, if you truly played good winning basketball from an individual standpoint.
It doesn’t make much sense to use it for players that only played 5 minutes and/or garbage time.
But it is definitely useful for 1-8 rotation guys. Occasionally it won’t make much sense game to game, but over the course of the season, the very best players and bench players in the nba should have some of the top plus/minus numbers.
Even if you are on a poor team like the Wizards or Pistons, but are still having a good individual season, you might still have a negative plus/minus, but it will still likely be better than the rest of your teammates, if you truly played good winning basketball from an individual standpoint.
Posted on 3/29/24 at 12:57 pm to M3From225
quote:where'd you play?
a bs stat imagined by someone who either never played basketball
Posted on 3/29/24 at 1:20 pm to M3From225
Eh, +/- is a simple stat that shows how a team did when a player was on or off the floor. It shouldn't be used as a serious stat.
Here are the Pels in the top 100 of each advanced stat:
TS%:
Larry Nance - 19th at 66.9%
Herb Jones - 38th at 64.5%
Jonas - 56th at 62.5%
Zion - 59th at 62.4%
Total S%:
Herb Jones - 17th at 178.7
Larry Nance - 34th at 175.5
Jonas - 74th at 169.5
CJ - 94th at 167.6
ORB%:
Jonas - 31st at 11.3%
Larry Nance - 63rd at 8.6%
DRB%:
Jonas - 7th at 30.4%
Larry - 73rd at 19.6%
TRB%:
Jonas - 8th at 21%
Larry - 66th at 14.2%
Ast%:
Zion - 49th at 26.6%
BI - 50th at 26.5%
CJ - 87th at 20.9%
TO%:
TM3 - 3rd at 4.4%
Hawk - 25th at 7.3%
CJ - 66th at 8.9%
Steal%:
Dyson - 8th at 3.1%
Jose - 10th at 3.0%
Larry - 26th at 2.5%
Herb - 44th at 2.2%
Naji - 66th at 1.9%
Block%:
Jonas - 39th at 3.8%
Herb - 58th at 3.0%
Usage%:
Zion - 23rd at 29.2
BI - 38th at 27.2
CJ - 72nd at 24.1
Pure Point Rating:
CJ - 66th at 4.5
BI - 74th at 3.9
Jose - 83rd at 3.7
Dyson - 95th at 3.4
Points per Shot:
Zion - t21st at 1.5
Larry - t21st at 1.5
Herb - t45th at 1.4
Jonas - t45th at 1.4
Ortg:
Larry - 17th at 132.3
Herb - 59th at 125.5
Jonas - 62nd at 125
TM3 - 70th at 124.1
Drtg:
Jonas - 26th at 109.7
Larry - 30th at 109.9
Jose - 42nd at 111
Dyson - 61st at 112.1
Naji - 72nd at 112.4
Herb - 87th at 112.9
TM3 - 97th at 113.4
eDiff:
Larry - 13th at +22.4
Jonas - 31st at +15.3
Herb - 48th at +12.6
TM3 - 59th at +10.7
Zion - 89th at +7.3
Floor Impact Counter:
Zion - 33rd at 1010
Jonas - 39th at 953.3
BI - 45th at 917.4
CJ - 76th at 770.5
PER:
Zion - 9th at 23
Jonas - 40th at 19.9
BI - 71st at 18
CJ - 79th at 17.1
Offensive Win Shares:
Zion - 26th at 4.7
Jonas - 40th at 3.8
Herb - 59th at 3.1
BI - 68th at 2.8
CJ- 74th at 2.8
TM3- 88th at 2.4
Defensive Win Shares:
Jonas - 24th at 3.0
Herb - 39th at 2.7
Zion - 54th at 2.3
BI - 60th at 2.3
CJ - 68th at 2.2
Total Win Shares:
Zion - 28th at 7.0
Jonas - 31st at 6.9
Herb - 47th at 5.7
BI - 58th at 5.1
CJ - 64th at 4.9
TM3 - 90th at 4.1
Here are the Pels in the top 100 of each advanced stat:
TS%:
Larry Nance - 19th at 66.9%
Herb Jones - 38th at 64.5%
Jonas - 56th at 62.5%
Zion - 59th at 62.4%
Total S%:
Herb Jones - 17th at 178.7
Larry Nance - 34th at 175.5
Jonas - 74th at 169.5
CJ - 94th at 167.6
ORB%:
Jonas - 31st at 11.3%
Larry Nance - 63rd at 8.6%
DRB%:
Jonas - 7th at 30.4%
Larry - 73rd at 19.6%
TRB%:
Jonas - 8th at 21%
Larry - 66th at 14.2%
Ast%:
Zion - 49th at 26.6%
BI - 50th at 26.5%
CJ - 87th at 20.9%
TO%:
TM3 - 3rd at 4.4%
Hawk - 25th at 7.3%
CJ - 66th at 8.9%
Steal%:
Dyson - 8th at 3.1%
Jose - 10th at 3.0%
Larry - 26th at 2.5%
Herb - 44th at 2.2%
Naji - 66th at 1.9%
Block%:
Jonas - 39th at 3.8%
Herb - 58th at 3.0%
Usage%:
Zion - 23rd at 29.2
BI - 38th at 27.2
CJ - 72nd at 24.1
Pure Point Rating:
CJ - 66th at 4.5
BI - 74th at 3.9
Jose - 83rd at 3.7
Dyson - 95th at 3.4
Points per Shot:
Zion - t21st at 1.5
Larry - t21st at 1.5
Herb - t45th at 1.4
Jonas - t45th at 1.4
Ortg:
Larry - 17th at 132.3
Herb - 59th at 125.5
Jonas - 62nd at 125
TM3 - 70th at 124.1
Drtg:
Jonas - 26th at 109.7
Larry - 30th at 109.9
Jose - 42nd at 111
Dyson - 61st at 112.1
Naji - 72nd at 112.4
Herb - 87th at 112.9
TM3 - 97th at 113.4
eDiff:
Larry - 13th at +22.4
Jonas - 31st at +15.3
Herb - 48th at +12.6
TM3 - 59th at +10.7
Zion - 89th at +7.3
Floor Impact Counter:
Zion - 33rd at 1010
Jonas - 39th at 953.3
BI - 45th at 917.4
CJ - 76th at 770.5
PER:
Zion - 9th at 23
Jonas - 40th at 19.9
BI - 71st at 18
CJ - 79th at 17.1
Offensive Win Shares:
Zion - 26th at 4.7
Jonas - 40th at 3.8
Herb - 59th at 3.1
BI - 68th at 2.8
CJ- 74th at 2.8
TM3- 88th at 2.4
Defensive Win Shares:
Jonas - 24th at 3.0
Herb - 39th at 2.7
Zion - 54th at 2.3
BI - 60th at 2.3
CJ - 68th at 2.2
Total Win Shares:
Zion - 28th at 7.0
Jonas - 31st at 6.9
Herb - 47th at 5.7
BI - 58th at 5.1
CJ - 64th at 4.9
TM3 - 90th at 4.1
Posted on 3/29/24 at 1:38 pm to M3From225
+/- is absolutely one of the worst stats in professional sports, period
Posted on 3/29/24 at 5:28 pm to M3From225
Before I thought that +/- was manipulated by noise and points that a player had no real impact in… but with only 5 players on the court, it’s meaningful. You have to understand how every player affects every other player to understand it, especially on the defensive end
This post was edited on 3/29/24 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 3/29/24 at 7:45 pm to saintsfan92612
I think sometimes people get too hung up on stats and use them to
Support confirmation bias. You can
Get as much useful information from
watching games carefully.
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