That J Val extension is looking pretty nice right now

Funny the thread about it lots of people were upset about it but really liked the Adams extension lol.

27 points doesn’t win you a game in the NBA.

You are looking at this all wrong, and it’s not an uncommon thing Pels fans seem to do every year where they blame people like BI or Lonzo, or in this case Jonas, for not being able to collect W’s with shite rosters. As if the problem is somehow them, and not, you know, the guys that can’t get a bucket consistently and efficiently to save their lives.

At the end of the day you could replace Val with peak Lebron last night and you aren’t winning that game. Because at the end of the day you need multiple guys that can score. Your star player averages 30-10? Great, that’s at best 60 points he generated, the average NBA team this season scores around 108. You’re gonna still need other guys that can get you 50 more points still….and that’s assuming your team can hold opposing teams to league average.

And if the guys you put around your 30-10 guy are utter trash, you aren’t getting many wins even if it’s Michael Jordan

The problem with his defense is that he has poor lateral foot speed. That means that, in the pick-and-roll, he really can't move his feet well to hedge against the guard coming around the pick, which means that the only option is for him to play drop coverage.

But drop coverage always lets the guard shoot a floater, so we get absolutely killed by guards who have good floaters as part of their game. That's why we've had some games where he doesn't play as part of the finishing five.

Jaxson and Billy have much better lateral foot speed and can hedge on the P&R, and playing different defenses keeps opponents off-guard, as the opposing guard can't know what to expect.

[Edit] And this is nothing new: Memphis fans warned us about this when we traded for him.

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No. James would and has his whole career carried bad teams to wins in the regular season

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Nonsense.

Go pull up those rosters and let’s discuss.

At no point was Lebron carrying teams this shitty to the playoffs.

People talk about his Cleveland days, yet even in year two he had 5 guys around him averaging double digit points, a very solid front court anchored by Carlos Boozer and Ilgauskas, Ricky Davis and Jeff Mcinnis that could all knock down shots for you and get guys the ball.

Jonas is playing with a bunch of guys that would struggle to start on most teams.

And he is putting up gigantic numbers, 19-14-3 is damn impressive for a guy.

Jonas ain’t the problem my man.

And it’s the height of basketball idiocy to look at this teams struggles and blame the guy that has actually proven it when it matters

There are things to point to with Jonas that are problematic, like his defense, and it ultimately means that we are going to have to move on from him in the future, or find someone that can take his minutes in crunch, but he ain’t the problem with this team

That was a very persuasive argument where you are actually trying to debate that LeBron James, at any age, would have the same measure of impact as a 30 year old Val..

I never said Val is a problem. I'm just not crowning the guy or overvaluing his inflated numbers in blowout loses. The OP is stating that this justifies his extension. I'd want to see more and see some success before I got too excited..

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That was a very persuasive argument where you are actually trying to debate that LeBron James, at any age, would have the same measure of impact as a 30 year old Val..

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That’s not what I said, try again.

You tried to make the argument that Jonas is nothing but empty stats because it doesn’t translate to wins. Questioned him as a player anyone should covet.

And I countered that you could hand us Lebron in his prime and he’s not winning that GS game, he’d struggle to get anywhere with this squad as it was against GS. Removing JV and giving him someone akin to the crap JV is working with.

JV is not the problem. Is he perfect? No, but he is amongst the least of our problems

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I'm not putting words in your mouth. You compared Val to James in his prime. James would have destroyed the Warriors in his prime, especially with the Warriors playing without a Center or rim protector. He would have put up 40+ in the game and elevated the surrounding players. That is what he does. He is a top 5 player all time that you are grouping in with Val. It's silly..

Let's play the OP game. He made a very simple statement. Val would command 2 1sts in a trade. The post has been overwhelming supported.

Does anybody really believe this?

Can anybody name 3 teams that would trade us 2 1st round picks for Val?

Did you see the Cavs big men tonight? They aren't giving up on Allen or Mobley. Might be the best duo in a few years. Lots of potential there.

I can't imagine either the Grizzlies or Raptors. Shrewd FOs that don't make reckless trades. Center just isn't a premium position and teams aren't overspending for them. Like we shouldn't have done.

The Magic did get two 1sts and Carter for Vucevic. So there is a precedent there. Maybe I am just devaluing the position..