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Random basketball shot question....

Posted on 3/27/18 at 7:35 pm
Posted by slappa da bass
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
491 posts
Posted on 3/27/18 at 7:35 pm
Would a shot count if it bounced in off the floor? That last heave by Solo bounced up and hit the backboard. Anyone ever seen a shot like that go in?
Posted by bigberg2000
houston, from chalmette
Member since Sep 2005
70038 posts
Posted on 3/27/18 at 7:37 pm to
Anything that goes in counts as long as it’s in bounds.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25565 posts
Posted on 3/27/18 at 7:42 pm to
Once it hits the ground it's not a shot anymore, but you'd still get two points if it went in before time expires.
Posted by slappa da bass
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
491 posts
Posted on 3/27/18 at 8:08 pm to
So he released it before time ran out but it bounced after the clock expired. Would that shot have counted in that situation?
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
31927 posts
Posted on 3/27/18 at 8:32 pm to
No, since it hit the floor after the clock expires it wouldn’t count.
If it hit before the clock expires it would count
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25565 posts
Posted on 3/27/18 at 9:00 pm to
quote:

If it hit before the clock expires it would count



No. The second the ball hits the floor, it's not a shot, it's a loose ball.
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
31927 posts
Posted on 3/27/18 at 9:11 pm to
quote:

No. The second the ball hits the floor, it's not a shot, it's a loose ball.

So what? If a loose ball goes in the goal it still counts. As long as it hits the floor before the clock expires it can go in and count
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25565 posts
Posted on 3/27/18 at 9:19 pm to
It's not a shot after it hits the floor. Yeah it's two points if it goes in, but it has to go in before the clock expires.
Posted by LSUFreek
Greater New Orleans
Member since Jan 2007
14778 posts
Posted on 3/27/18 at 9:27 pm to
So does the last player to touch it get the stat?

Or does the team score just get added onto, with no player credit?

Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
31927 posts
Posted on 3/27/18 at 10:24 pm to
quote:

Yeah it's two points if it goes in, but it has to go in before the clock expires.

Im on my phone and can’t find it in an official rule book one way or the other but I’m 99% sure you’re wrong.

As long as the ball hit the floor BEFORE time ran out of the quarter the basket would count even if it goes in AFTER the clock hit 0
Posted by SuperSoakher
Member since Jun 2012
4585 posts
Posted on 3/27/18 at 11:03 pm to
I agree with Teddy. After it hits the floor, it’s a loose ball. The only time a play keeps going after the buzzer is a shot which this is no longer. If it’s a loose ball anywhere else on the floor, they don’t wait to see where it goes, the quarter is over. It would have to go in before the buzzer. What I would be interested in is, how much of the ball has to be in the cylinder for it to count. If it’s halfway in the rim and the buzzer goes off, does that count?
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
31927 posts
Posted on 3/28/18 at 12:42 pm to
Okay, I looked it up because I was positive you guys were wrong and I was right, turns out...


You guys are wrong and I am right

quote:

Section XI-Field Goal Attempt
A field goal attempt is a player's attempt to shoot the ball into his basket for a field goal. The act of shooting starts when, in the official's judgment, the player has started his shooting motion and continues until the shooting motion ceases and he returns to a normal floor position. It is not essential that the ball leave the shooter's hand. His arm(s) might be held so that he cannot actually make an attempt. The term is also used to include the flight of the ball until it becomes dead or is touched by a player. A tap during a jump ball or rebound is not considered a field goal attempt. However, anytime a live ball is in flight from the playing court, the goal, if made, shall count, even if time expires or the official's whistle sounds. The field goal will not be scored if time on the game clock expires before the ball leaves the player's hand."


quote:

anytime a live ball is in flight from the playing court, the goal, if made, shall count, even if time expires or the official's whistle sounds.


So anytime a ball is in flight and it goes in the goal it counts, even if it's after the buzzer.

So like I said earlier, as long as hit hits the ground in bounds BEFORE the clock goes off, it counts, even if the clock goes off AFTER it hits the ground but BEFORE it goes in
This post was edited on 3/28/18 at 12:43 pm
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25565 posts
Posted on 3/28/18 at 2:00 pm to
I'm not sure on that interpretation your making.

When they are saying "the flight of the ball" they mean from a shot.

When they say "anytime a live ball is in flight from the playing court" i don't think they mean it bouncing from the court, they mean when a shot goes up. They say right after that that "the field goal will not be scored if time on the game clock expires before the ball eaves the players hand", because in the previous statement about a live ball in flight, they mean from a players hand, not the court.

You could be right, i don't know. I don't think the rules you posted are clear on it.

I think the debate is when is the shot dead. They define a shot as the flight of the ball until it becomes dead or is touched by a player. Not sure how that is interpreted.

To me i would think by that rule, it doesn't matter if it hits the ground or not before time expires. If it's still considered in flight, then it only matters when it leaves the players hand, so if it bounces after time expires and still goes in, then it would count.

I think the ball is dead once it hits the floor on a shot, but by their rule a shot is also dead if it's tip blocked b/c another player touched the ball after a shot went up. So by that rule, could you "goaltend" a "shot" if it's tipped? While the basket still counts after time expires on a tipped shot, that is what makes me believe it bouncing in after time expires would count as well.

I do'nt know. I confused myself.

Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
31927 posts
Posted on 3/28/18 at 4:06 pm to
A loose ball is still a live ball though.

The rule says anytime a live ball is I flight from the playing surface.

That would include a bounced ball that is currently in flight
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25565 posts
Posted on 3/28/18 at 7:35 pm to
I understand that, but I interpret "in flight as leaving from the players hand until the shot is over. Once it hits the court, it's not in flight anymore, and the shot is over.
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