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Okafor is hard to like as a player sometimes..(update; seems different 2/6 game)
Posted on 1/19/12 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 1/19/12 at 12:14 pm
Don't get me wrong, I respect the man for who he is and his academic accomplishments. I mean:
Graduated with 3.75 from UConn in 3 years in Finance; cmon.
He's a roll model that every kid should look up to.
But, as a starting center in the NBA:
Doesn't play with enough aggression;
Doesn't have a consistent even sub 10 foot shot.
I know he averages a double-double
Again, I really like the guy, and I hope he takes his $50 mil and turns it into $200 mil. I know he'll be the last NBA player to go broke.
Sorry for the rant, no flame, just wanted to get it out.
Eta: for title addition
Graduated with 3.75 from UConn in 3 years in Finance; cmon.
He's a roll model that every kid should look up to.
But, as a starting center in the NBA:
Doesn't play with enough aggression;
Doesn't have a consistent even sub 10 foot shot.
I know he averages a double-double
Again, I really like the guy, and I hope he takes his $50 mil and turns it into $200 mil. I know he'll be the last NBA player to go broke.
Sorry for the rant, no flame, just wanted to get it out.
Eta: for title addition
This post was edited on 2/6/12 at 7:54 pm
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Posted on 1/19/12 at 12:17 pm to sonusfaber
He's an interesting player. Definitely undersized, but I think he's sometimes underestimated by posters on the board.
Some nights he really is aggressive and is almost dominant underneath. Others . . .not so much. His contract is way too high.
I think he's probably a good guy and teammate, but that alone ain't worth the money.
Some nights he really is aggressive and is almost dominant underneath. Others . . .not so much. His contract is way too high.
I think he's probably a good guy and teammate, but that alone ain't worth the money.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 12:26 pm to VOR
on the nights he goes off, especially with offensive boards, i'm like "where the hell did that come from?" then other nights, you gotta question where his head is. i feel like his good is up there with the best but his bad isn't enough for him to be more than a bench player.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 12:31 pm to quail man
I like Ok but what he brings to the table is not worth 13 mil.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 12:58 pm to WB504
How he was playing last season up to his injury was the first time I really felt he was earning his contract. Other than that, there's flashes, but yea, WAY overpaid for the production he brings... but then again, what starting center (capable of averaging a double-double) isn't overpaid in this league (besides those on rookie contracts)?
Posted on 1/19/12 at 1:10 pm to WB504
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I like Ok but what he brings to the table is not worth 13 mil.
That's pretty much market value for a top 15 veteran center these days.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 3:18 pm to sonusfaber
His bball skill set is very perplexing. He has NBA body and pretty good hops for a big guy. But he looks completely uncoordinated at times. Struggles to catch the ball cleanly and has very rough, rudimentary post moves. Sometimes he shows nice touch on the shot, and other times he looks like he has absolutely zero touch and no shooting ability.
Defensively, though, he is as good as anyone I've seen defending shots in the air. He has an uncanny way of being able to jump straight up and defend a shot without making body contact.
Bottom line: he frustrates me more than not. I find myself saying I hate him more than saying anything positive about him during a game. Kind of the same thing with Ariza.
Defensively, though, he is as good as anyone I've seen defending shots in the air. He has an uncanny way of being able to jump straight up and defend a shot without making body contact.
Bottom line: he frustrates me more than not. I find myself saying I hate him more than saying anything positive about him during a game. Kind of the same thing with Ariza.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 4:33 pm to ScoopAndScore
I can't stand dude as a player seriously...he might be a good person but I can't deal with him letting the ball go through his hands and roll through his feet every game...Dude has as my old coach used to say "Candy arse Hands"
Posted on 1/20/12 at 8:26 am to mightyjet
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Dude has as my old coach used to say "Candy arse Hands"
He and Ariza might have the worst hands I've ever seen on a pro athlete. And we got both of them on our squad sons.
Posted on 2/4/12 at 9:02 pm to ScoopAndScore
That right there at the end of this Detroit game is the very reason I started this thread a while back. Oak gets a ball 3 feet from the rim with no one in between him and the rim and instead of fricking slamming it like every other center that has every played the game he does his usual light touch and misses it. fricking pisses me off.
Posted on 2/4/12 at 9:37 pm to sonusfaber
I agree. I like the guy and he seems like a good person and all, but he is arguably the softest big man in the entire NBA. sometimes I wonder if he is scared to dunk the ball.
Posted on 2/4/12 at 9:45 pm to JHornet82
He's so soft I'm surprised he doesn't wear an undershirt.
Any player wearing an undershirt is always soft.
Any player wearing an undershirt is always soft.
Posted on 2/4/12 at 10:03 pm to saintsfan22
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That's pretty much market value for a top 15 veteran center these days.
The problem is Okafor is not a top 25 center.
List of unquestionably better centers:
Howard, Bynum, Chandler, Gasol, Jordan, Hibbert, Nene, Bogut, Jefferson, Horford, McGee, Noah, Lopez, Aldridge, Monroe, Ibaka, Dalembert, Gortat, Duncan, Perkins, Cousins
List of debatably better centers:
Hawes, Haywood, Kaman, Camby, Mozgov, Asik
Only 6 of those centers make more than him. Hollinger was dead on when he listed Okafor as the #1 worst contract in basketball. Even amnestied players like Arenas and Roy were ranked as better contracts.
Posted on 2/4/12 at 10:23 pm to mhasen1
quote:
List of unquestionably better centers:
Howard, Bynum, Chandler, Gasol, Jordan, Hibbert, Nene, Bogut, Jefferson, Horford, McGee, Noah, Lopez, Aldridge, Monroe, Ibaka, Dalembert, Gortat, Duncan, Perkins, Cousins
Hardly unquestionable.
-Perk is averaging 4.5 pts and 5 rebs a game this year and never averaged over 8 rebs a game.
-Aldridge and Ibaka aren't really Centers.
-Bogut's faded hard in the last few years
Some of these guys are just "the grass is greener" types and you're not picking them apart because you don't see them every night. People thought Kaman was going to put Okafor on the bench, until they saw him play a few games up close.
All big men are overpaid outside of the top 3-4 anyway.
Posted on 2/5/12 at 12:53 am to saintsfan22
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All big men are overpaid outside of the top 3-4 anyway
That is why you don't pay a Center big money (unless you're convinced he's a top 5 guy). You get 2-3 mid level guys and get them to bang for you. The Hornets have 2 guys making around 25 million total this year and are getting poop production out of them both. They'd have been better off keeping Gray and Smith as the Centers (especially if the team goal was to tank). Dumping Oak should be the priority right now, even if you have to give away a piece to make it happen.
Posted on 2/5/12 at 1:20 am to brmark70816
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You get 2-3 mid level guys and get them to bang for you. The Hornets have 2 guys making around 25 million total this year and are getting poop production out of them both. They'd have been better off keeping Gray and Smith as the Centers (especially if the team goal was to tank).
If they're trying to tank, yes. If they want to be good or even decent, hell no. And I think calling Smith or Gray mid level is a stretch.
Posted on 2/5/12 at 1:33 am to saintsfan22
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If they're trying to tank, yes. If they want to be good or even decent, hell no. And I think calling Smith or Gray mid level is a stretch
Ehh I guess it depends on what the rest of your team looks like, but it's not a crucial position anymore. Alot of the top teams (Dallas, Denver, Miami, Boston, Atlanta, OKC) are getting by with journey men or cast offs.
I think both could be serviceable and put up decent numbers at times. Both are young and one could have developed into a Gortat type player (it happens). You never know until you give them a shot..
Posted on 2/5/12 at 1:39 am to brmark70816
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Ehh I guess it depends on what the rest of your team looks like, but it's not a crucial position anymore. Alot of the top teams (Dallas, Denver, Miami, Boston, Atlanta, OKC) are getting by with journey men or cast offs.
If the rest of the team is stacked than you can get away with it. And teams that go with a journeyman type usually go with a defensive enforcer type C which Gray and especially Smith aren't.
Posted on 2/5/12 at 1:43 am to saintsfan22
it must be Okafor's love of Pearl Jam that makes him one of the softest players in the NBA today. someone needs to put some Juvenile or some C-Murder on his iPod and then maybe he will start slamming the ball down instead of going up for sissy layups.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 8:40 am to sonusfaber
Starting to believe his best minutes are behind him.
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