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re: My convo with a Laker fan ..
Posted on 4/25/11 at 9:04 am to CajunFootball
Posted on 4/25/11 at 9:04 am to CajunFootball
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That is a bunch of crap. Just because the team is in a state in which I was born does not mean that I have to be a fan of theirs.
That's the way the sports leagues are set up, based on regional marketing. You don't HAVE to be a fan, but you're certainly supposed to be. FWIW there is nothing wrong with "bandwagon" fans. Attracting casual fans usually leads to financial success in pro sports. Without them most teams would fail.
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Posted on 4/25/11 at 9:04 am to The Mick
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So are the thousands of Cubs fans in NOLA also bandwagon?
No. The Cubs have never won shite so their fan base could NEVER be labeled as "bandwagon."
Posted on 4/25/11 at 9:09 am to CPT Tiger
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My older Brother though was a Die hard Laker fan since we were kids. I don't consider him a Bandwagon guy. He started watching them when Magic, Worthy and Kareem were running shite
That's the very definition of bandwagon.
Posted on 4/25/11 at 9:13 am to TigerinATL
Oh I understand that point perfectly. The reason the Hornets/Saints are here is not the make the people happy, but to sell their product. They want the people of the city/state the be fans. However, they know they are going to get national fans.
The Hornets came twenty years after me. In twenty years I had already looked at the league and had a favorite team. Just because the league moved a team here doesn't mean that I need to change teams because there is a closer option.
Question for everyone else. (The answer has already been posted on this board FWIW.) If the Hornets moved to Alaska(just a random location) how many people would be their fans? Whereas, someone who is a fan not because of geographical ties, but because they actually like the team would probably not care.
The Hornets came twenty years after me. In twenty years I had already looked at the league and had a favorite team. Just because the league moved a team here doesn't mean that I need to change teams because there is a closer option.
Question for everyone else. (The answer has already been posted on this board FWIW.) If the Hornets moved to Alaska(just a random location) how many people would be their fans? Whereas, someone who is a fan not because of geographical ties, but because they actually like the team would probably not care.
Posted on 4/25/11 at 9:19 am to CajunFootball
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I could careless either way if the Hornets/Saints win
I just find this sad. If you are a sports fan and are born and raised in La, how can you take no pride in whether or not the 2 pro teams in this state win? Do you just not care at all about pro sports? I could maybe understand that angle.
Posted on 4/25/11 at 9:19 am to CajunFootball
Someone from North La who wants to be a Cowboys fan? Well, that's still pretty lame in my book, but at least Shreveport is somewhat regionally associated with Dallas. Again, the definition of a bandwagon fan is randomly picking a good team that you have absolutely no regional ties to, and when said team is no longer good then the bandwagon fan stops caring about them.
Fact is, if you are from Louisiana you should be a Hornets fan. If you have some legitimate association with another team, then that is fine. But if you're trying to say that most of the Lakers fans at the Hive have a legit association with L.A., and then draw parallels between a Lakers fan from NOLA and a Hornets fan from Louisiana as far as both being bandwagon fans, then you're an idiot.
...and I think you are an arse clown for not being a Saints fan.
Fact is, if you are from Louisiana you should be a Hornets fan. If you have some legitimate association with another team, then that is fine. But if you're trying to say that most of the Lakers fans at the Hive have a legit association with L.A., and then draw parallels between a Lakers fan from NOLA and a Hornets fan from Louisiana as far as both being bandwagon fans, then you're an idiot.
...and I think you are an arse clown for not being a Saints fan.
Posted on 4/25/11 at 9:24 am to CajunFootball
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how many people would be their fans?
I think those that weren't completely heartbroken would follow the team as long as CP3 was on it, then move on. I'm a lifelong Saints fan but the first team that got me excited about the NFL was the Dan Marino Dolphins. Once he was gone I stopped liking Miami and was only a Saints fan.
Posted on 4/25/11 at 9:27 am to CajunFootball
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Question for everyone else. (The answer has already been posted on this board FWIW.) If the Hornets moved to Alaska(just a random location) how many people would be their fans? Whereas, someone who is a fan not because of geographical ties, but because they actually like the team would probably not care.
If not picking a team because they are based in your region and on some level represent your city/state/region, what exactly do you propose? Picking a team because you like their colors? Because you like their players, or coach, or cheerleaders? All of these are much more transient than the regional ties angle.
Regions are the only constant, and the best way to pick a team. Like you mentioned, sometimes it just doesn't work out that way because there is a business aspect to any sport. If the Hornets moved to Alaska, then no I would not be a fan, because my bond to the team is broken.
Who is your favorite team? Celtics?
Posted on 4/25/11 at 9:28 am to CajunFootball
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If the Hornets moved to Alaska(just a random location) how many people would be their fans?
I'm a fan of New Orleans/Louisiana, bottom line. I don't root for the Jazz since they left Nola. I wouldn't root for hornets or saints if they left. If a new team comes into my state, I'll support them. Same thing when players leave and go play for someone else. I don't continue to follow them and root for them. In MLB I have a favorite team, but if Nola ever got a team, my loyalty would be with New Orleans.
Posted on 4/25/11 at 9:57 am to ScoopAndScore
Sorry for the delayed response. Had to actually do work.
@tigerfan4120) I could careless about the Lakers fans there last night. I wasn't there, hell..I didn't even watch the game. An since I'm not a Saints fan, and am an arse clown, I'll just end my discussion with you. Enjoy your 1 championship in 45 years.
@TigerinATL) Obviously peoples thoughts on a team will change over time. I used to like the 'Boys back in the day of TA at qb. People always will enjoy teams because of individual players. The superstars are going to get their own fans. Maybe the fans of Peyton Manning are bandwagon Colts fans. Ex: I'll pull for Manning no matter what team he plays on. Reason? He played HS ball with my brother at Newman. I've met him. So that probably makes me a bandwagon Colts fan, even though I could careless if they win as long as he has a good game. Which was probably the a similar thing with you an Marino/Fins.
@ScoopAndScore)Your loyalty is not with a team at all. You said if the team moved then you wouldn't support them. What if you move? If you move to Atlanta then I would expect you to be a Falcons fan. Obviosuly geographics are going to play a huge role. The closer you are to a team then the higher probability you'll be their fans. I think is was more true before TV though. Now with ESPN. Internet, and everything I can keep up with any team just as much as anyone. I just won't be at their games(which isn't a requirement to be a fan).
@tigerfan4120) I could careless about the Lakers fans there last night. I wasn't there, hell..I didn't even watch the game. An since I'm not a Saints fan, and am an arse clown, I'll just end my discussion with you. Enjoy your 1 championship in 45 years.
@TigerinATL) Obviously peoples thoughts on a team will change over time. I used to like the 'Boys back in the day of TA at qb. People always will enjoy teams because of individual players. The superstars are going to get their own fans. Maybe the fans of Peyton Manning are bandwagon Colts fans. Ex: I'll pull for Manning no matter what team he plays on. Reason? He played HS ball with my brother at Newman. I've met him. So that probably makes me a bandwagon Colts fan, even though I could careless if they win as long as he has a good game. Which was probably the a similar thing with you an Marino/Fins.
@ScoopAndScore)Your loyalty is not with a team at all. You said if the team moved then you wouldn't support them. What if you move? If you move to Atlanta then I would expect you to be a Falcons fan. Obviosuly geographics are going to play a huge role. The closer you are to a team then the higher probability you'll be their fans. I think is was more true before TV though. Now with ESPN. Internet, and everything I can keep up with any team just as much as anyone. I just won't be at their games(which isn't a requirement to be a fan).
Posted on 4/25/11 at 10:00 am to tigerfan4120
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Someone from North La who wants to be a Cowboys fan? Well, that's still pretty lame in my book, but at least Shreveport is somewhat regionally associated with Dallas. Again, the definition of a bandwagon fan is randomly picking a good team that you have absolutely no regional ties to, and when said team is no longer good then the bandwagon fan stops caring about them.
Fact is, if you are from Louisiana you should be a Hornets fan. If you have some legitimate association with another team, then that is fine. But if you're trying to say that most of the Lakers fans at the Hive have a legit association with L.A., and then draw parallels between a Lakers fan from NOLA and a Hornets fan from Louisiana as far as both being bandwagon fans, then you're an idiot.
...and I think you are an arse clown for not being a Saints fan.
I don't think this could have been said any better. Even and especially the last sentence.
Look, I never said anything about what you one "should" do. Do whatever the hell you want. There are two definites. If you don't cheer for the local team, then you do not share the same civic pride as many of us. And if you cheer and are a fan of a team simply because they are winning, that is the definition of a bandwagon fan. That's all I really said. Again, do what you want, just don't get upset when people think you're a douche because of it.
Posted on 4/25/11 at 10:03 am to CajunFootball
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Enjoy your 1 championship in 45 years.
With Pleasure
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Your loyalty is not with a team at all.
I believe, like me, he is a fan of NOLA first and foremost. A team leaving(such as the Jazz) is seen as a sort of slap in the face to our city and so they are no longer our teams. If the Saints and Hornets would have moved to San Antonio/Oklahoma City in 2005, then would I still be a fan of theirs? Most likely not. I would be absolutely pissed.
Do people in Baltimore still like the Colts?
Do people in Cleveland like the Ravens?
Do people in Seattle like the Thunder?
Posted on 4/25/11 at 10:07 am to CajunFootball
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CajunFootball
Dude, shut the frick up then. Why the hell are you posting on a Hornets board with a Saints board right next to it. You are either really bored with your life or just a douchebag in general.
So just go to your Lakers board to be with your fellow douchehood.
Posted on 4/25/11 at 10:08 am to saintsfan92612
Don't live in any of those cities so I have no idea if anyone there does or does not. I would assume, as with anything, that people do still support those teams. Are they in the majority? Probably not.
I'm not trying to say that people who base their 'fanship' on geographics are not fans. However, it think is shallow to say that just because they are here then you should. Where the Hornets here when I was born? No. What did the other team do to me in 20 years for me to say one day "Hey, the Hornets moved 60miles down the road from me. I can no longer be your fan. Thanks for 20 years though."
I'm not trying to say that people who base their 'fanship' on geographics are not fans. However, it think is shallow to say that just because they are here then you should. Where the Hornets here when I was born? No. What did the other team do to me in 20 years for me to say one day "Hey, the Hornets moved 60miles down the road from me. I can no longer be your fan. Thanks for 20 years though."
Posted on 4/25/11 at 10:10 am to Brettesaurus Rex
I'm actually not a Lakers fan. However, I'm sure their fanbase would understand that geographics shouldn't be the sole reason to be a sports fan.
Posted on 4/25/11 at 10:19 am to CajunFootball
I don't think geographics should be the sole reason either. Yeah my home teams are LSU, Saints, and Hornets but if I moved somewhere else I'm not just gonna switch to liking another team. However, that's not gonna stop me from liking other teams. I mean I kinda like the Jets and Raiders but I don't live in either area and if they ever played the Saints I'm sure as hell not gonna root for them.
It's not as simple as just by region. I think a lot of has to do with it being your hometown.
It's not as simple as just by region. I think a lot of has to do with it being your hometown.
This post was edited on 4/25/11 at 10:20 am
Posted on 4/25/11 at 10:22 am to CajunFootball
I am probably one of the few who was a Hornets fan before they moved to New Orleans because I was a fan of Larry Johnson, Muggsy Bogues, and Alonzo Mourning when I was young...of course the networks spoon fed us Jordan, Boston, and LA so becoming a huge fan of a team far away that was rarely on TV was tough. I was happy when they moved here but I hate to admit when they came to the Arena in 2000 to play the Lakers in a preseason game, I wore an LSU 33 jersey instead of my Larry Johnson hornets jersey. 
(although Shaq did sign it[although for some reason Kobe put a KB8 on there as well...mother fricker ruining my Shaq jersey])
Besides Larry Johnson and Muggsy were in Space Jam.
(although Shaq did sign it[although for some reason Kobe put a KB8 on there as well...mother fricker ruining my Shaq jersey]) Besides Larry Johnson and Muggsy were in Space Jam.
Posted on 4/25/11 at 10:28 am to Brettesaurus Rex
@)B-Rex) Well by previous posters standards you are a bandwagon fan of the Jets and Raiders. The only point I was trying to argue is just because people like teams that are not in their state doesn't make them bandwagon fans. If you like the Saints since their superbowl, or the Lakers since their last championship then yes..you are a bandwagon fan.
@SSfan
@SSfan
Posted on 4/25/11 at 10:32 am to CajunFootball
Actually I've been a Saints fan for about 6 years now and have been having season tickets since then. So no, I'm not a bandwagon fan.
And I said I liked them, didn't say I was necessarily a fan.
But yeah, I don't really agree with the people who said it was just about the region you live in. I think it has a lot to do moreso with where you're from then where you currently live. Just off the top of my head I can think of all the LSU fans in Texas and Atlanta and other Saints fans in MS and AL
And I said I liked them, didn't say I was necessarily a fan.
But yeah, I don't really agree with the people who said it was just about the region you live in. I think it has a lot to do moreso with where you're from then where you currently live. Just off the top of my head I can think of all the LSU fans in Texas and Atlanta and other Saints fans in MS and AL
Posted on 4/25/11 at 10:32 am to CajunFootball
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I'm actually not a Lakers fan. However, I'm sure their fanbase would understand that geographics shouldn't be the sole reason to be a sports fan.
Geographics ain't the sole reason to be a sports fan, but it sure as hell exempts you from being a dirtbag with no pride unless you're actually from Los Angelas or any adjacent area.
This post was edited on 4/25/11 at 10:37 am
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