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If we have to use the pick what are your top 2 options?
Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:56 am
Posted on 5/19/23 at 8:56 am
Option 1: Jordan Hawkins (best shooter)
Option 2: Trade with Dallas on draft day if Taylor Hendricks is on the board at 10
Dallas gets 2023 #14 pick and 2024 top 7 protected pick
NOP gets #10
Why would Dallas do it? Their 2024 1st goes to the Knicks next year. They can move back 4 spots and get a 24 1st
Why would the pels do it? We get a 6’10 athletic big that can stretch the floor and rim protect. And we can cash in on the Lakers pick if it’s good enough next year
Option 2: Trade with Dallas on draft day if Taylor Hendricks is on the board at 10
Dallas gets 2023 #14 pick and 2024 top 7 protected pick
NOP gets #10
Why would Dallas do it? Their 2024 1st goes to the Knicks next year. They can move back 4 spots and get a 24 1st
Why would the pels do it? We get a 6’10 athletic big that can stretch the floor and rim protect. And we can cash in on the Lakers pick if it’s good enough next year
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 9:11 am
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Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:10 am to Louisianabound88
Dereck Lively, Gradey Dick, or leonard miller
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:16 am to Balsamic_duck
I can get behind lively (elite shot blocker)and dick (elite shooter)
but Miller shot 30% from 3 and he’s not really elite at anything besides being athletic. We have those type of guys already
but Miller shot 30% from 3 and he’s not really elite at anything besides being athletic. We have those type of guys already
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:18 am to Louisianabound88
Jalen Hood-Schifino no matter what.
Trade back w/ either Brooklyn or Indiana - but make sure he’s still there; if not, take him at 14. ESPN just came out w/ a new mock and he’s going to HOU at 15.
Would be an epic bonus if we could gain another 1st by trading back and landing Schifino and one of Whitehead or Lively.
This could be a tremendous draft if we play this correctly.
But no matter what, Schifino is my guy.
Trade back w/ either Brooklyn or Indiana - but make sure he’s still there; if not, take him at 14. ESPN just came out w/ a new mock and he’s going to HOU at 15.
Would be an epic bonus if we could gain another 1st by trading back and landing Schifino and one of Whitehead or Lively.
This could be a tremendous draft if we play this correctly.
But no matter what, Schifino is my guy.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:21 am to Louisianabound88
I don't care that Hendricks plays the 4, and that he probably doesn't get big enough to be a 5, i would really like to draft him. I think he's the 4th best prospect in the draft.
I love his defensive instincts and athleticism, and he can knock down open 3's at a nice rate.
I think he's going in the top 5.
I have no idea why Amen and Ausar Thompson would go above him. Neither of them can shoot. They both shot under 30% from 3 and around 65% FT. Tremendous athletes, sure, but can't shoot a lick it seems.
I'd easily take Hendricks above the twins, and i'd take Cam Whitmore above them as well.
If either of those two are there at say 8, i'd without a doubt want to do what is necessary to move up and draft them.
I also don't think Derrick Lively is going to be there at 14 either. Both Dallas and OKC need a big like that.
I love his defensive instincts and athleticism, and he can knock down open 3's at a nice rate.
I think he's going in the top 5.
I have no idea why Amen and Ausar Thompson would go above him. Neither of them can shoot. They both shot under 30% from 3 and around 65% FT. Tremendous athletes, sure, but can't shoot a lick it seems.
I'd easily take Hendricks above the twins, and i'd take Cam Whitmore above them as well.
If either of those two are there at say 8, i'd without a doubt want to do what is necessary to move up and draft them.
I also don't think Derrick Lively is going to be there at 14 either. Both Dallas and OKC need a big like that.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:23 am to Louisianabound88
Fixing the center position with a rookie scale contract helps the team way more than adding a bench shooter.
If any of the center prospects seem like they can quickly become starting caliber and not be projects, that's who you pick. I haven't done much research but Lively and Nnaji both look the part. Make sure both can add the weight they need if they need to, and then double down on what's been working out, pick the one with the best BBIQ/Instincts.
If any of the center prospects seem like they can quickly become starting caliber and not be projects, that's who you pick. I haven't done much research but Lively and Nnaji both look the part. Make sure both can add the weight they need if they need to, and then double down on what's been working out, pick the one with the best BBIQ/Instincts.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:24 am to SHMILL
I admit I know little about the NBA draft or this year's prospects but with that lack of knowledge it seems to me most of the time if you're not picking top 5 or so the draft has little impact generally speaking in the short term for most teams.
Again Gould nlbe I'm just not understanding or seeing it.
Again Gould nlbe I'm just not understanding or seeing it.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:25 am to SHMILL
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Would be an epic bonus if we could gain another 1st by trading back and landing Schifino and one of Whitehead or Lively.
We already have 6 first round picks in the next 4 drafts, after this one.
We need to start using the picks to get better, not getting more just to get them.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:43 am to TigerinATL
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It’s after midnight here in Chicago and I’m still in the gym editing a podcast I just recorded.
Derek Lively II is on the court draining corner 3s with ease.
3rd straight day I’ve seen him consistently making shots from deep.
LINK
Probably means nothing but if teams feel he has the potential to develop that shot, he could potentially go a lot higher than people thought. He's. 65.8% FT shooter on low volume.
Will be curious to see how teams view him after workouts. Dallas is in need of a rim protector as well so that's probably his ceiling.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:45 am to Louisianabound88
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I can get behind lively (elite shot blocker)and dick (elite shooter) but Miller shot 30% from 3 and he’s not really elite at anything besides being athletic. We have those type of guys already
He’s a damn good rebounder, great handle for his size and is extremely efficient from everywhere but 3
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:49 am to supe12sta12z
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Probably means nothing but if teams feel he has the potential to develop that shot, he could potentially go a lot higher than people thought. He's. 65.8% FT shooter on low volume. Will be curious to see how teams view him after workouts. Dallas is in need of a rim protector as well so that's probably his ceiling.
He flashed his shot a lot more in high school/aau, I actually don’t think his form is that bad. Kinda reminds me of Jax’s shooting, where he’ll always show flashes that get you excited but he probably never becomes a reliable shooter. Still I think he provides a combo of filling a need for the pels while also having a lot of upside. To me there’s a lot of value in that
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:51 am to TeddyPadillac
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I don't care that Hendricks plays the 4, and that he probably doesn't get big enough to be a 5
An insurance policy for zion at the very least
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:51 am to Balsamic_duck
Unless you're saying he's a future Bam, it sounds like he's another backup big. I know the starting in "Starting" Center is usually in quotes these days, but we need a "Starting" Center more than we need another Larry.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:53 am to TeddyPadillac
That’s fine then and agrees with my premise - trade a future first (or 2nds/whatever)to gain an extra pick this year (preferably in the top 22ish) here to grab a young guy.
I know it’s a gamble but we can’t keep being stagnant. We stand on the fence line so to speak with all this capital along w/our current talent - gotta make a move to get better one way or the other. If it works out then great and if it doesn’t, so be it - but take a swing, now is the time.
Schiffino/Dyson/Jose
CJ/Herb/Marshall
BI/Trey/ (Whitehead)
Zion/Liddell/Nance
Val/Nance/ (Lively)
And would still have a trade chip with Kira. We’d also be protected if/when we cannot resign everyone. Young players are also paired with vets who can show them the NBA life.
It’s either gamble and go young, or hang on sooo tight to what we have now and pray everyone stays healthy next year.
Why can’t we do both?
I know it’s a gamble but we can’t keep being stagnant. We stand on the fence line so to speak with all this capital along w/our current talent - gotta make a move to get better one way or the other. If it works out then great and if it doesn’t, so be it - but take a swing, now is the time.
Schiffino/Dyson/Jose
CJ/Herb/Marshall
BI/Trey/ (Whitehead)
Zion/Liddell/Nance
Val/Nance/ (Lively)
And would still have a trade chip with Kira. We’d also be protected if/when we cannot resign everyone. Young players are also paired with vets who can show them the NBA life.
It’s either gamble and go young, or hang on sooo tight to what we have now and pray everyone stays healthy next year.
Why can’t we do both?
Posted on 5/19/23 at 9:56 am to TigerinATL
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Fixing the center position with a rookie scale contract helps the team way more than adding a bench shooter.
If any of the center prospects seem like they can quickly become starting caliber and not be projects, that's who you pick. I haven't done much research but Lively and Nnaji both look the part. Make sure both can add the weight they need if they need to, and then double down on what's been working out, pick the one with the best BBIQ/Instincts.
Yep, if you pick lively and he quickly proves to be starting caliber you can then use JV's expiring to then go trade for a shooter at the deadline.
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:47 am to Balsamic_duck
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He flashed his shot a lot more in high school/aau, I actually don’t think his form is that bad. Kinda reminds me of Jax’s shooting, where he’ll always show flashes that get you excited but he probably never becomes a reliable shooter. Still I think he provides a combo of filling a need for the pels while also having a lot of upside. To me there’s a lot of value in that
He’s routinely flashed this shooting in these empty gyms settings since high school. It’s what made him a top 5 player coming out, but it hasn’t translated to games still yet. I still worry about his offensive game never developing as he’s never really scored much at any level, but I have some confidence in him learning to hit a set shot from the corner or the top of the key.
The big difference between Lively and guys like Jax, Mo Bamba, etc., is he actually wants to play center and do all the dirty work that comes with that (which admittedly affects his offensive numbers). We’ll never have to worry about him wanting to play the 4, leaking out too early to try and get an easy dunk, or wasting his whole off-season working on guard skills. If we take him, hopefully his defense translates early, he cuts down on his fouling, and he can hit that Val top of the key 3. If that happens, we get Tyson Chandler with a jump shot
Posted on 5/19/23 at 11:57 am to TigerinATL
quote:He just turned 19. No way to know what he develops in to. However, at 14, may be worth taking a shot on his athleticism and potential. Could just be another Jaxson Hayes, but may be worth taking a chance on based on skill set. I like him and Wallace at our spot. Hendricks is likely a pipe dream.
Unless you're saying he's a future Bam, it sounds like he's another backup big. I know the starting in "Starting" Center is usually in quotes these days, but we need a "Starting" Center more than we need another Larry.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 11:58 am
Posted on 5/19/23 at 12:36 pm to NOSHAU
Watching Lively play in the ACC, he doesn't remind me of Hayes very much, other than in general build.
Hayes is a more explosive athlete and looks more like a guy who could play the 4.
Lively is a center, period. And as was noted above, he thrives in that role. He got much better as the season went on and was a dominate defensive presence by the end of his Freshman year. His defensive instincts already seem much more advanced than Hayes and he is definitely much more of an interior presence both in protecting the rim from penetration and helping from the weak side.
He was touted as a pretty good shooter for a big coming out of high school, but he showed almost none of that at Duke. In the old days you would have expected that to come out in his sophomore or junior years, but now it's a question you have to live with if you draft him.
I wouldn't hate him as the Pels pick at 14 and I don't think he's a Hayes redux. It would be more of the move if you are definitely trading Val and I think adding a couple of top-level shooters to the bench is actually a higher priority, but Lively certainly fills a need for interior defense right away.
Hayes is a more explosive athlete and looks more like a guy who could play the 4.
Lively is a center, period. And as was noted above, he thrives in that role. He got much better as the season went on and was a dominate defensive presence by the end of his Freshman year. His defensive instincts already seem much more advanced than Hayes and he is definitely much more of an interior presence both in protecting the rim from penetration and helping from the weak side.
He was touted as a pretty good shooter for a big coming out of high school, but he showed almost none of that at Duke. In the old days you would have expected that to come out in his sophomore or junior years, but now it's a question you have to live with if you draft him.
I wouldn't hate him as the Pels pick at 14 and I don't think he's a Hayes redux. It would be more of the move if you are definitely trading Val and I think adding a couple of top-level shooters to the bench is actually a higher priority, but Lively certainly fills a need for interior defense right away.
This post was edited on 5/19/23 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 5/19/23 at 12:58 pm to Baron
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He’s routinely flashed this shooting in these empty gyms settings since high school. It’s what made him a top 5 player coming out, but it hasn’t translated to games still yet. I still worry about his offensive game never developing as he’s never really scored much at any level, but I have some confidence in him learning to hit a set shot from the corner or the top of the key.
The big difference between Lively and guys like Jax, Mo Bamba, etc., is he actually wants to play center and do all the dirty work that comes with that (which admittedly affects his offensive numbers). We’ll never have to worry about him wanting to play the 4, leaking out too early to try and get an easy dunk, or wasting his whole off-season working on guard skills. If we take him, hopefully his defense translates early, he cuts down on his fouling, and he can hit that Val top of the key 3. If that happens, we get Tyson Chandler with a jump shot
Yeah, I'm not too worried about his offense. As long as he can dunk, rebound, and protect the rim, I think he would be a good addition
Posted on 5/19/23 at 4:11 pm to Louisianabound88
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Taylor Hendricks, born November 22, 2003
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