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re: Holiday for Trey Burke and picks rumor

Posted on 5/25/15 at 2:30 pm to
Posted by MrPel
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Posted on 5/25/15 at 2:30 pm to
Did you watch the end of the season. Actually no, did you watch the playoffs? With Cole starting that would obviously mean an upgrade at center or wing and im all for that. That would mean jrue gets traded and tyreke comes off the bench. Upgrade at center or SF, Cole would be fine splitting time with Evans and it wouldn't be hard to find a veteran 3rd guard for 8-10 min a game if needed.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 5/25/15 at 2:38 pm to
Cole's a bit odd in that I think he's a great bench player but don't think of him as a fringe starter. Maybe it's because we already have Jrue and I see him as a lesser version of Holiday.
Posted by wallowinit
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 5/25/15 at 3:22 pm to
Trey Burke is a really bad NBA Point Guard, but I would take those 2 picks in a heartbeat for Jrue. Jrue is good but he's always hurt. It's the harsh reality.
Posted by Macintosh504
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Posted on 5/25/15 at 3:57 pm to
have you seen his career. He is a good back pg, not a good starter
Posted by MrPel
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 5/25/15 at 4:07 pm to
Maybe bc Miami had an obsession with Mario chalmers and they needed Coles energy off the bench. I watched a lot of heat games living with a Miami native and chalmers is trash. Cole should have been their starter. Give Cole 20 min a game at point, Evans 20 mins a game at point and then somebody else 8 min and that would work. I love holiday but if getting rid of him means an upgrade at SF or center im down with it. It would be to be a significant upgrade and I know fell wouldn't just deal jrue away without getting something good in return.
Posted by LosLobos111
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Posted on 5/25/15 at 4:20 pm to
You wouldn't get an upgrade at SF or center by trading jrue if you're going the FA route.

Draft would firmly be in the "crapshoot" stage.

It would be a bad idea either way.
Posted by MrPel
Member since Dec 2014
2342 posts
Posted on 5/25/15 at 4:39 pm to
Well we could include somebody like ryno or Asik in a Sign and trade, im just trying to think of something that will put this team over the top. If we go into next season healthy and stay healthy throughout the year we could be a 5-7 seed and could def win a playoff series. What about the next step? We need to shake things up a little with a trade to get more athletic at the wing and center spot. Ill come up with some trades after work or sometime soon that will work salary wise but we reallllly need an upgrade at the starting SF spot and you know how I feel about Asik. If our bench is tyreke, QP, Cunningham, ryno and Ajinca I think that will due. Somehow unload Gordon or jrue or both and bring in a new SF/center and pels could make some noise. However, every move needs to be made with offseason 2016 in mind so that's the most important thing.
Posted by Tigerfan_95
Member since Jun 2014
2932 posts
Posted on 5/25/15 at 5:38 pm to
It would be a risky trade but after we traded away our draft picks the last 3 years I doubt we trade into the draft. Remember last year when we were supposed to "leap past" any teams who had the same target as us? IT would be interesting if we did work this trade out and then targeted a guy like jelly oubre or miles turner with the 12th pick. What pick does okc have?
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 5/25/15 at 8:44 pm to
I agree with that in theory, except Tyreke would start and Cole back him up.


Holiday has played in 45% of our games since he's been here. He's becoming Gordon-eque. Why gamble with his health and our inept training staff? Take whatever you can get for him.

Our fans would swear this dude is a top 3 fricking PG in the league the way they love him. Fact is PG in the NBA goes about 20 deep in very good PGs. NO ONE around the league thinks he's as good as people like Lobos. The dude is collecting $10m per to chill out for the majority of the season in a suit.


Get rid of him. We will be fine. We proved it already
Posted by tgr4ever
Gwinnett, baw
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 5/25/15 at 8:56 pm to
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NO ONE around the league thinks he's as good as people like Lobos


LINK /

This guy thinks Jrue is damn good and even says 2 lottery picks wouldnt be worth it for the Pels value wise...

But Im sure hes just a massive Pelicans homer right?

This boards favorite tweeter on Jrues defense...

quote:

?@haralabob
Jrue has the ability to guard Curry as tough as any guard in the league.
This post was edited on 5/25/15 at 9:01 pm
Posted by Suntiger
BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 5/25/15 at 9:00 pm to
I really like Holliday. He's way better than Evans and better than Cole.

That being said, I think Cole is a capable starting NBA PG. not an all-star. Not even a fringe all-star. But an average starter. If we had a healthy Gordon, a better 3 & 5 with AD and Evans, Ryno, QPon/Cunningham off the bench, I think we'd have a good team.

The only reason I'd even consider this is because you'd like to think that you could get one good starter with two top 15 draft picks. And Holliday has been injured a lot.
Posted by Macintosh504
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Member since Sep 2011
52530 posts
Posted on 5/25/15 at 9:01 pm to
Jrue is a good pg but he shouldn't be a teams second best player. He is a top 20 pg
Posted by MrPel
Member since Dec 2014
2342 posts
Posted on 5/25/15 at 9:05 pm to
I love holiday but if the right deal came around I would take it, and so would dell demps. There is no need to trade him unless the right deal is presented but it's ignorant for people to think that's unrealistic and to bash people who bring that idea up.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
71968 posts
Posted on 5/25/15 at 9:19 pm to
That's great

Can't guard shite when you can't stay healthy
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 5/25/15 at 9:35 pm to
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I really like Holliday. He's way better than Evans and better than Cole.


Whoa

Did we watch what Evans did running the point with
holiday out?

16/8/5 on 47% shooting led us to a winning record and essentially a playoff birth. Not to mention always heathy and toughing through injuries

45% of games @ $10m per, cmon
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61438 posts
Posted on 5/25/15 at 9:44 pm to
quote:

Did we watch what Evans did running the point with
holiday out?


We really kind of need them both. Holiday just doesn't attack enough. Looking at all 3 of our guards compared to Dragic made the Pels 3 look pretty bad the way nobody can finish at the rim. It'd be interesting to see what would happen to Tyreke if we had a center that was a threat at the rim and maybe a different system. He finished at the rim about 10% better in Sac, in the mid 60s%.
Posted by Pellican
NOLA
Member since Jun 2013
49 posts
Posted on 5/25/15 at 9:58 pm to
Think Tyreke's poor finishing at the rim has as much to do with the way the league has changed as it does with Asik. Pick and roll coverages have become increasingly conservative over the last few years and that has had an adverse effect on his production. Tyreke is excellent splitting on P/Rs, but you'd never know because bigs always sag now. Can't split when the big doesn't step out to hedge.

Tyreke was huge for us this year, but being a good piece on a good team is not the same as being a great piece on a great team; to me, he has no niche on a champ-level team. Poor defender, poor shooter, and not good enough with the ball in his hands to overcome the way good defenses help on him. He can get to the rim extremely well, but rarely does he do it quickly. Predictable. Again, I like Tyreke fine, but being a non-shooting G in today's NBA is a big problem.

Jrue is not an elite attacking PG, but can affect the game in multiple ways and has adaptable skills. Which is why I've always liked him. Start thinking of Jrue as a guard instead of just a point guard and you begin to appreciate how well-rounded he is.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
71968 posts
Posted on 5/25/15 at 9:58 pm to
Do we need them both? Cole filled in admirably as a backup. You can't judge his worth on his years spent in MIA. That's a totally different animal in regards to his role on that team vs his role on our team

And Evans was a totally different player in the 2nd half running the offense. I can't find the numbers on finishing at the rim post ASB, but Evans flirted with shooting 50% a few of the months. Just off watching the games id say he was more efficient at the rim

The new coach may say who stays/fits best with the new scheme. We still will have close to $40m tied up in holiday evans and Gordon with no starting center or small forward. Decisions may have to be made
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61438 posts
Posted on 5/25/15 at 10:21 pm to
If you have Tyreke you need superior defenders at the other guard/wing spots. Cole is good but lacks the size to be as versatile as Holiday. He may be able to harass Curry but won't be slowing down Thompson much.
This post was edited on 5/25/15 at 10:24 pm
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
Member since Feb 2011
45385 posts
Posted on 5/25/15 at 10:32 pm to
quote:

16/8/5 on 47% shooting led us to a winning record and essentially a playoff birth.


Don't act like if the situation was reversed it's not possible jrue would've lead them to a comparable record.

Team had more depth post jrue injury by adding QPon/Cole(and getting EG healthy) and ajinca playing very well.

Tyreke did a great job I agree but he also wasn't as great as you claim. He still needs to get better at his outside shot and FTs.
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