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Do you think we see less CJ in crunch time?
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:18 am
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:18 am
Willie benching CJ for Trey was interesting. National media seems to think our best closing lineup is
Zion at PG
Herb
Ingram
Trey
Nance
This was echoed on Russilo and Simmons and the Windhorst pod.
Honestly, I think it makes sense.
Neither Trey or CJ are good defenders but at least Trey is long. Spacing wise, I'd say they're about equal.
But I get terrified of CJ over dribbling. Trey won't do that. If he's not open and doesn't drive, he usually gives it up.
I can't stand CJ back pedaling with 5 seconds on the shot clock.
If Zion continues to improve his rebounding and defensively, maybe Nance is the one who goes to the bench and we go really small.
Zion has been a beast on the boards recently (at least comparative to early season).
Zion at PG
Herb
Ingram
Trey
Nance
This was echoed on Russilo and Simmons and the Windhorst pod.
Honestly, I think it makes sense.
Neither Trey or CJ are good defenders but at least Trey is long. Spacing wise, I'd say they're about equal.
But I get terrified of CJ over dribbling. Trey won't do that. If he's not open and doesn't drive, he usually gives it up.
I can't stand CJ back pedaling with 5 seconds on the shot clock.
If Zion continues to improve his rebounding and defensively, maybe Nance is the one who goes to the bench and we go really small.
Zion has been a beast on the boards recently (at least comparative to early season).
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Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:21 am to ghost2most
quote:
Neither Trey or CJ are good defenders but at least Trey is long. Spacing wise, I'd say they're about equal.
Personally, I think Trey is the better spacer due to the high volume he shoots and the deep 3s he takes. That being said CJ is still an overall better scorer.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:29 am to ghost2most
I'd rather CJ in there than Trey.
If CJ isn't on the court to close games, then what's the point of him being here making $30M+/yr?
I trust CJ to hit the shot, and i trust him to get a good shot off if needed if BI or Zion can't get there's.
The ideal lineup has always wanted to be
Zion/BI/CJ/Trey/Herb but when they have played together they've been rather terrible together. I don't understand why. ANd when i say terrible, offensively they are terrible too.
34 minutes played together in 15 games, so appears to be mostly situational minutes played.
ORtg 87
DRtg 109
NETRtg of -26.6
of those 34 minutes played, 15 of them were in the 4th quarter, played over 8 games. again, seems very situational.
ORtg 100
DRtg 143.3
NETRtg -43.8
If CJ isn't on the court to close games, then what's the point of him being here making $30M+/yr?
I trust CJ to hit the shot, and i trust him to get a good shot off if needed if BI or Zion can't get there's.
The ideal lineup has always wanted to be
Zion/BI/CJ/Trey/Herb but when they have played together they've been rather terrible together. I don't understand why. ANd when i say terrible, offensively they are terrible too.
34 minutes played together in 15 games, so appears to be mostly situational minutes played.
ORtg 87
DRtg 109
NETRtg of -26.6
of those 34 minutes played, 15 of them were in the 4th quarter, played over 8 games. again, seems very situational.
ORtg 100
DRtg 143.3
NETRtg -43.8
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:31 am to ghost2most
quote:Situationally, just like we've seen the past few games.
Do you think we see less CJ in crunch time?
If CJ is playing well, he's not coming out of the game, nor should we want him to.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:35 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:
I trust CJ to hit the shot, and i trust him to get a good shot off if needed if BI or Zion can't get there's.
I don't
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:35 am to ghost2most
quote:Out of curiosity, who do you think is a better option here?
I can't stand CJ back pedaling with 5 seconds on the shot clock.
Because CJ has been much, much better than BI or Zion late in the shot clock this season.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:37 am to ghost2most
quote:Why not?
I don't
Who do you trust?
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:38 am to TeddyPadillac
Whether CJ closes is going to be matchup dependent (like it should be). Not doing that completely negates the depth and versatility of this team, which is our greatest strength. Honestly, no one on this team is good enough on both ends of the floor that we shouldn’t at least consider an Off/Def sub during crunch time of a playoff series.
I understand what you mean but I really hate this reasoning
quote:
If CJ isn't on the court to close games, then what's the point of him being here making $30M+/yr?
I understand what you mean but I really hate this reasoning
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:41 am to shel311
quote:
Why not?
Who do you trust?
Maybe I'm wrong but under 2 minutes in the game and he's usually pretty terrible. Even at FTs. He's not clutch IMO.
No one on the team really is.
But to answer your question...
Game on the line, open 3 and I'd rather Trey or even Herb. Same at the FT line.
One play to win the game and I want Zion with the ball in a pick and roll with Ingram with Herb and Trey waiting for the kickout.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:47 am to ghost2most
quote:Clutch minutes this season
Maybe I'm wrong but under 2 minutes in the game and he's usually pretty terrible.
CJ
+6 plus/minus
.571 TS%
5:1 Ast:TO ratio
4.2 turnover ratio
Zion
-3 plus/minus
.474 TS%
.75:1 Ast:TO ratio
17 turnover ratio
BI
-20 plus/minus
.513 TS%
1:1 Ast:TO ratio
11.3 turnover ratio
quote:Correct, except for Herb, of course. But he's not going to facilitate, he's finishing off of catches.
No one on the team really is.
I just think the main question is, and has been for me on here for 2 seasons now, why do we seem to think CJ ALWAYS turns the ball over, always makes the worst decisions, always is the worst of our Big 3 in the clutch, etc....when for 2 years, generally speaking, all of the data has stated otherwise...
This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 10:50 am
Posted on 3/19/24 at 10:55 am to shel311
quote:
I just think the main question is, and has been for me on here for 2 seasons now, why do we seem to think CJ ALWAYS turns the ball over, always makes the worst decisions, always is the worst of our Big 3 in the clutch, etc....when for 2 years, generally speaking, all of the data has stated otherwise...
BI is the anti clutch, so I'm not saying CJ is worse than him when it matters. I think Zion hasn't been great but is going to be.
I don't know, I just go with the eye test. CJ does some dumb arse shite.
Too much dribbling, bricks 3s, early shot clock forces that seem to lead to the other team getting a layup.
The data is probably right but I just seem to remember CJ messing up in the clutch more.
But really they all do.
Zion dribbling off his foot and falling down in a crowd.
BI with another terrible mid range fall away.
Everything needs to go through Zion. His handle and balance are way better now and I think we'll see fewer turn overs.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 11:05 am to ghost2most
quote:
BI is the anti clutch
I'll point out that BI is 33-35 from the FT line over the last 2 years in the clutch.
Herb is 25-33
Trey is 18-19
Zion is 16-27
CJ is 10-17
quote:
But really they all do.
correct.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 11:35 am to ghost2most
One thing Coach Green has gotten better at is situational matchups. That'll dictate who closes. Obviously you'll have BI, Zion, and Herb for sure. The other two positions will be situational. Between CJ, TM3, Val, and Nance you prioritize what the Pels need and how they've played individually to that point.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 1:23 pm to ghost2most
All this is just tinkering with lineups ahead of the playoffs.
If I were a betting man I would bet we will see alot of Zion at the 5 in the playoffs depending on our matchup (especially against Clips)
If I were a betting man I would bet we will see alot of Zion at the 5 in the playoffs depending on our matchup (especially against Clips)
Posted on 3/19/24 at 1:48 pm to Pistol44
quote:
The other two positions will be situational. Between CJ, TM3, Val, and Nance you prioritize what the Pels need and how they've played individually to that point.
Add Dyson to this mix, because his defensive versatility will come into play if he's healthy.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 2:26 pm to Jester
Healthy Dyson should absolutely be in the mix.
Zion
BI
Herb
Trey
Dyson
Zion
BI
Herb
Trey
Dyson
Posted on 3/19/24 at 2:46 pm to ScoopAndScore
The guy coming off knee surgery, who is afraid to shoot, is going to get CJ’s minutes? All time retarded POV.
ETA: Sons, this board needs a serious come to Jesus re playoff rotations. CJ, BI, Zion, Trey and Herb’s minutes are all going to increase, some of them significantly. Nance and JV will handle the 5, but please note that Z will prob take some minutes there. Everyone else will see their minutes cut drastically. Naji, Dyson, Hawk are going to be in sweats. Jose will almost always be in sweats. This isn’t a knock on any of them. They will have helped us get into the dance. But for the love of everything Holy, Dyson will not be in closing lineups at the expense of Christian James McCollum. Thank you.
ETA: Sons, this board needs a serious come to Jesus re playoff rotations. CJ, BI, Zion, Trey and Herb’s minutes are all going to increase, some of them significantly. Nance and JV will handle the 5, but please note that Z will prob take some minutes there. Everyone else will see their minutes cut drastically. Naji, Dyson, Hawk are going to be in sweats. Jose will almost always be in sweats. This isn’t a knock on any of them. They will have helped us get into the dance. But for the love of everything Holy, Dyson will not be in closing lineups at the expense of Christian James McCollum. Thank you.
This post was edited on 3/19/24 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 3/19/24 at 2:56 pm to Solo
quote:
The New Orleans Pelicans are 20-2 when CJ McCollum scores 20 or more points.
The New Orleans Pelicans are 18-4 when CJ McCollum has 5 or more assists
The New Orleans Pelicans are 12-0 when CJ McCollum has 20+ points and 5+ assists
Posted on 3/19/24 at 3:10 pm to ghost2most
I think it depends on how the game has gone, the game situation, and the matchup.
But the evidence is really compelling at this point that BI, Zion, and CJ work best when only two of the three of them are on the floor at a time.
But the evidence is really compelling at this point that BI, Zion, and CJ work best when only two of the three of them are on the floor at a time.
Posted on 3/19/24 at 3:17 pm to Solo
quote:
Nance and JV will handle the 5, but please note that Z will prob take some minutes there
They've actually been playing BI at the 5 a little bit lately, at least defensively.
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