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Carl Landry Point/Counter-Point
Posted on 5/22/12 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 5/22/12 at 2:07 pm
247 has a new pro and con article for re-signing Carl Landry
The Point is that he's an efficient scorer who's positives outweigh his negatives and we should find room for a guy like him.
The Counter-Point is that between Smith, Ayon and a likely draft pick we just don't have the minutes to go around. There also is an erroneous assumption made about Landry getting $7 million per year. As deep as this draft is and as many PF FAs are on the market I'd be shocked if Landry got more than a $5 million per MLE offer.
The Point is that he's an efficient scorer who's positives outweigh his negatives and we should find room for a guy like him.
The Counter-Point is that between Smith, Ayon and a likely draft pick we just don't have the minutes to go around. There also is an erroneous assumption made about Landry getting $7 million per year. As deep as this draft is and as many PF FAs are on the market I'd be shocked if Landry got more than a $5 million per MLE offer.
Posted on 5/22/12 at 2:53 pm to TigerinATL
Is it a forgone conclusion that we draft a power forward?
Posted on 5/22/12 at 3:08 pm to supe12sta12z
They tried to start Landry this season and it didn't work out, he even came out and said he likes coming off the bench. Unless they plan to start Smith or Ayon I think bringing in a starting PF is a foregone conclusion, whether we draft one or not.
Posted on 5/22/12 at 3:20 pm to supe12sta12z
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Is it a forgone conclusion that we draft a power forward?
I'm sure we go best player available and unless something throws us a few picks back, it looks like we can snag Thomas Robinson.
I think we really need to wait until the lottery though.
Posted on 5/22/12 at 3:22 pm to TigerinATL
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There also is an erroneous assumption made about Landry getting $7 million per year.
If anything, you'd think we'd get a discount for paying him way more than market value this past season.
Posted on 5/22/12 at 3:29 pm to Jester
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you'd think we'd get a discount for paying him way more than market value this past season.
A last shot at a ring really seems to be the only scenario guys give serious discounts for. But the bottom line is that with a PF stacked draft the market for PFs will be worse this year than last year and Landry's best offer last year was the MLE from Portland. Especially now that he's shown he's not a starter I don't think there's any doubt he gets the MLE or less. The only way he gets more is if we give him slightly more to outbid the market. One big * on my statement is there is supposed to be a lot of cap space this offseason, so who knows maybe teams that miss on their top choices go crazy and overspend on the leftovers like Landry.
This post was edited on 5/22/12 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 5/22/12 at 6:01 pm to TigerinATL
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Smith
Smith will be center
Posted on 5/22/12 at 7:07 pm to aswemajor
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Smith will be center
Doesn't affect the price of tea. Landry is not the future and will not be paid as such. He did make out like a bandit this year, though.
Posted on 5/23/12 at 12:17 pm to Jester
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Doesn't affect the price of tea. Landry is not the future and will not be paid as such.
Yeah, I'm just saying that Smith doesn't take up a PF spot, but I agree Landry is not the future.
Posted on 5/23/12 at 2:18 pm to TigerinATL
if we draft a PF, Landry is definitely gone imo...if we don't draft one, i would love to re-sign him. he is a great sixth man
Posted on 5/26/12 at 8:24 pm to TigerinATL
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There also is an erroneous assumption made about Landry getting $7 million per year.
I guess I failed to sufficiently explain why I believe his value lies around $7 million. In this post by Rohan over on At The Hive, he explains that "The marginal NBA win costs about ~$2M in the current market." Landry was at 2.9 this season, and that came from only 41 games; last year, he was worth 4.1. Factoring injury risk into the equation, $7 million per season seems fairly reasonable for a multi-year deal.
(Thanks to Rohan for those numbers)
This post was edited on 5/26/12 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 5/26/12 at 11:12 pm to GeauxHornets
I don't want Carl Landry. Should have never traded MT5 for him. To anyone who says we needed him to backup West when he got injured: we weren't going to win that series against the Lakers anyway.
Peace, dude.
ETA: I do like how they play "Hustlin" everytime he scores.
Peace, dude.
ETA: I do like how they play "Hustlin" everytime he scores.
This post was edited on 5/26/12 at 11:13 pm
Posted on 5/27/12 at 11:17 am to Souljah
Not going to hate on his game because his ability to score in the post and draw fouls is something any team would love to have, but it just doesn't make sense for the Hornets to bring him back due to the other reasons that I mentioned in the counter-point piece.
Posted on 5/27/12 at 12:51 pm to GeauxHornets
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$7 million per season seems fairly reasonable for a multi-year deal.
That makes sense, but his value is not the same as his market price. Last season the best offer he got from other teams was the MLE I don't see why that would change since he failed to show he could start.
Posted on 5/27/12 at 5:57 pm to TigerinATL
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Last season the best offer he got from other teams was the MLE
I'm not sure that's accurate. Because of the lockout causing free agency to be significantly abbreviated, some free agents (like Landry) opted to sign more lucrative one-year deals and then look for a long-term contract during a full free agency period in the following offseason. I never heard anything about Landry not getting any better offers than the MLE. Either way, I think it would be unfair to judge his market price based on the level of interest that teams showed in him in a lockout-shortened free agency period.
Posted on 5/27/12 at 6:22 pm to GeauxHornets
Do you think Kris Humphries who pretty much was in the same boat as Landry will get more than the MLE?
Posted on 5/27/12 at 6:40 pm to TigerinATL
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Do you think Kris Humphries who pretty much was in the same boat as Landry will get more than the MLE?
Absolutely.
Posted on 5/27/12 at 8:01 pm to GeauxHornets
Is there any bench player, except maybe Manu or Harden (who should be starting anyway), that should be making more than 5-6 million a year? That just seems like alot of money for a back-up. Unless they are playing 30+ minutes a game, I don't think you are getting value for your money.
Posted on 5/27/12 at 8:13 pm to brmark70816
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Unless they are playing 30+ minutes a game, I don't think you are getting value for your money.
I can see Landry being a 6th man type and being "worth" more than the MLE, but the problem is the teams that would use him as a 6th man are for the most part playoff teams who only have the MLE to offer meaning if they want more than the MLE have to find a rebuilding team that wants them as a starter, but what rebuilding team wants an aging bench player for a starter? Sacramento traded for Landry 2 years ago when many people hoped he could grow into a starting role. I think I'll just have to agree to disagree with Mason if he thinks Humphries will get more than an MLE offer too, but I just don't see it.
This post was edited on 5/27/12 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 5/27/12 at 11:04 pm to TigerinATL
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I think I'll just have to agree to disagree with Mason if he thinks Humphries will get more than an MLE offer too, but I just don't see it.
I don't see the comparrison in-between Landry and Humphries. Humphries put up 14/11 as a starter this year. That's solid numbers for a PF. Sure it was on a bad team, but everybody needs a rebounder. Landry has never put up more than 6.5 rpg and that was his big year (playing almost 38 mpg). It may not be fair, but Landry's stock took a tumble this year and I think Humphries went up a bit.
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