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10 possessions in final 3 minutes of the game
Posted on 4/22/24 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 4/22/24 at 1:33 pm
We scored on 1/10 during the last 3:09.
1 fricking score on 10 possessions. 2/10 is horrid, but that would have won the game.
This is a coaching problem just as much as it is a CJ/BI problem.
If Griffin can’t swallow his pride and make significant moves in some form or fashion during the offseason, we can stop hoping for more than disappointment every year
1 fricking score on 10 possessions. 2/10 is horrid, but that would have won the game.
This is a coaching problem just as much as it is a CJ/BI problem.
If Griffin can’t swallow his pride and make significant moves in some form or fashion during the offseason, we can stop hoping for more than disappointment every year
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Posted on 4/22/24 at 2:43 pm to TriggaTrey
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1 fricking score on 10 possessions. 2/10 is horrid, but that would have won the game.
This honestly is when your star (BI) goes to work and gets a bucket for you. It’s exactly what the Thunder did and why they won with Shai.
If BI can’t do that than he’s clearly not the number 2 you need and doesn’t deserve a crazy extension. Dort is a good defender but also significantly shorter and had 3 fouls at the half. BI didn’t take advantage of any of this.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 2:59 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:Not excusing BI down the stretch or saying he deserves a max, but the difference in physicality allowed on BI vs SGA was absurd. Dort had two hands on BI on every single possession. The "charge" call was laughable. Then, there was literally zero contact on SGA's and one late.
This honestly is when your star (BI) goes to work and gets a bucket for you. It’s exactly what the Thunder did and why they won with Shai.
If BI can’t do that than he’s clearly not the number 2 you need and doesn’t deserve a crazy extension. Dort is a good defender but also significantly shorter and had 3 fouls at the half. BI didn’t take advantage of any of this.
I get (and am for) referres swallowing the whistle a little in the playoffs, but what Dort got away with was absurd. I am not speaking in hyperbole but Dort was fouling BI once every 2-3 seconds on every one of BI's iso attempts. It was insane. Like watch this clip. How was Dort not called for a foul? He's wrapped around BI's waist multiple times in this 11 second clip.
Loading Twitter Embed....Posted on 4/22/24 at 3:02 pm to PP7 for heisman
The refs let a lot of things go so I didn't mind allowing the Dort physical defense, but what pissed me off the most, the moment BI was physical back with Dort he got that offensive found late in the game.
That was such a bad call. Even if you think it was legit, then Dort should have had about 37 legit fouls, can't have it both ways.
That was such a bad call. Even if you think it was legit, then Dort should have had about 37 legit fouls, can't have it both ways.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 3:07 pm to PP7 for heisman
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Not excusing BI down the stretch or saying he deserves a max, but the difference in physicality allowed on BI vs SGA was absurd. Dort had two hands on BI on every single possession. The "charge" call was laughable. Then, there was literally zero contact on SGA's and one late.
I mean you’re right but this happens to Zion all the time but he finds a way to score and play through contact. Or you match that physicality. BI never matched Dorts physicality( hes literally 3 inches taller than him) instead he just took jumper after jumper. Dort had 3 fouls at half- BI never forced a drive and made the refs call the foul. Heck, there was a play BI couldn’t get his shot over Wiggins.
Ever since he came back from injury- BI is barely looking to drive or shoot 3s. Hes playing right into Dorts hands. Refs had some issues but majority of the blame is on BI. Dort did the same thing in regular season as well when BI played the thunder.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 3:08 pm to shel311
It really was a bull shite call. SGA was pushing off and using his shoulder to create space all game and it was never called.
I'm fine with letting them be phsyical. If you allow the physical game to be played, you can't cave in to someone flopping like Dort did at the end.
I also still don't know what that offensive foul on CJ was when he was the one that ended up on the ground.
I'd love to know if Chet goaltended Larry's shot.
Neither of those two plays were ever replayed.
I'm fine with letting them be phsyical. If you allow the physical game to be played, you can't cave in to someone flopping like Dort did at the end.
I also still don't know what that offensive foul on CJ was when he was the one that ended up on the ground.
I'd love to know if Chet goaltended Larry's shot.
Neither of those two plays were ever replayed.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 3:14 pm to PP7 for heisman
You know what BI did wrong on that play you twitter embedded?
Larry set a good screen, and Dort was behind BI, and BI let Chet gaurd both he and Larry, and BI was going nowhere and let Dort get back on him defenisvely.
If he attacks Chet off the pickand goes hard to the rim, then Chet is forced to defend him. BI takes him to the left side of the rim quickly and wraps it around Chet to a wide open Larry dunk.
Too often both BI and CJ, more BI, comes off that pick slowly. Attack the rim and good things will happen. Either someone picks you up, who's not your man so someone is wide open, or no one does and you finish at the rim. But you can't try to keep your defender on your hip, and then allow him to get back in front of you. We just ran a pick play for nothing when that happens, and we just wasted valuable time on the shot clock doing absolutely nothing.
Larry set a good screen, and Dort was behind BI, and BI let Chet gaurd both he and Larry, and BI was going nowhere and let Dort get back on him defenisvely.
If he attacks Chet off the pickand goes hard to the rim, then Chet is forced to defend him. BI takes him to the left side of the rim quickly and wraps it around Chet to a wide open Larry dunk.
Too often both BI and CJ, more BI, comes off that pick slowly. Attack the rim and good things will happen. Either someone picks you up, who's not your man so someone is wide open, or no one does and you finish at the rim. But you can't try to keep your defender on your hip, and then allow him to get back in front of you. We just ran a pick play for nothing when that happens, and we just wasted valuable time on the shot clock doing absolutely nothing.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 3:19 pm to TeddyPadillac
The BI charge call really ticked me off. Agree with everything Shel said, they allowed Dort to play that level of physicality and then reward Dort with a complete flop the second BI tries to play physical. What a way to live for Dort, can be as physical as you want and hand check as much as you want but the moment you get hit back you get the kid gloves put on. Weak as shite
Posted on 4/22/24 at 3:22 pm to PP7 for heisman
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Not excusing BI down the stretch or saying he deserves a max, but the difference in physicality allowed on BI vs SGA was absurd. Dort had two hands on BI on every single possession. The "charge" call was laughable. Then, there was literally zero contact on SGA's and one late.
I get (and am for) referres swallowing the whistle a little in the playoffs, but what Dort got away with was absurd. I am not speaking in hyperbole but Dort was fouling BI once every 2-3 seconds on every one of BI's iso attempts. It was insane. Like watch this clip. How was Dort not called for a foul? He's wrapped around BI's waist multiple times in this 11 second clip.
I don't see a foul, that's just good playoff defense and I want to see more of that from the refs. If BI isn't able to handle that then he is in trouble because it's the playoffs and it only gets more intense the further you go
What they need to cut out is the bullshite flop that Dort had at the end of the game.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 3:23 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Too often both BI and CJ, more BI, comes off that pick slowly. Attack the rim and good things will happen.
Bingo! But if you noticed after his injury hes just not attacking the rim- not sure if thats injury related or mental. But if you don’t attack- you play into a good defenders hands.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 3:32 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Ever since he came back from injury- BI is barely looking to drive or shoot 3s. Hes playing right into Dorts hands. Refs had some issues but majority of the blame is on BI. Dort did the same thing in regular season as well when BI played the thunder.
BI does not look like himself. He does not look confident in his body right now, as if he knows there's certain things maybe he can't do just yet.
The 3 matchups in the regular season went like this with Dort.
1st game we won, no BI.
Dort guarded Zion and CJ equally just about. CJ had 6 points on 2-5 shooting. Zion has 4 points on 2-6 shooting, 2 assists and a turnover.
That Hawkins kid was 2-13 from 3 in this game, had 10 points, 6 boards and 4 assists and 1 turnover in 38 minutes
We were 13-42 from 3 for 31%.
game 2 was a butt whippin, no Zion.
Dort guarded BI the majority of the time. BI was 2-4 for 6 points with 3 FT's, had 3 assists and 2 turnovers. Just had 12 points and 9 assists in this game.
We were 9-36 from 3 for 25%. 1-7 for Trey, 2-7 for CJ and Herb each, 1-6 from Jose.
That Hawkins kid was 2-4 from 3 though, and scored 9 points in 20 minutes.
game 3 was no BI, and we should have won. up 5 with 2 minutes left and let them close the game on a 12-0 run.
Dort guarded CJ mainly, and he was 4-10 for 13 points, no assists or turnovers.
Zion was 1-2 against him for 2 points, but we scored 20 points on the 16 possessions Dort guarded him.
That Hawkins kid was 1-1 from 3 in just 3 minutes.
We were 14-38 from 3 in this game for 37%
Dort was no where near as dominant against us in the regular season like he was last night. Being allowed to foul on every possession with hardly any being called has it's advantage, but i give him credit b/c he got aroudn just about every single screen.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 3:33 pm to TriggaTrey
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If Griffin can’t swallow his pride and make significant moves in some form or fashion during the offseason, we can stop hoping for more than disappointment every year
The moment this team advanced past Sacramento a few nights ago any chances they made drastic changes was out the window. Hell, even prior to that it was probably on life support.
Even in relation to the roster, if I had to bet vs them making minor changes (like moving bench rotation guys) vs making a major move (trading BI, Jonas, etc) I would bet they make the minor move. That's not to say they won't look around to improve the roster, but we have enough data at this point to know that they overvalue their players, they'll shop guys but ask too much and they'll be back next year, again.
and next year we'll be right back where we have been. Fringe play-in.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 3:37 pm to TriggaTrey
Agreed it was frustrating to watch but what made it even tougher to swallow were the open looks that just wouldn't go down. Naji and CJ both had 3s that were halfway down and came out. JV had a bunch of opportunities on one possession and they just wouldn't go down. The block by Chet looked like a goal tend and then you had a couple of Larry dives where the dunk/layup just wouldn't stay down. Both teams had a fair share of misses and OKC had a few go down late.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 3:37 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Dort was no where near as dominant against us in the regular season like he was last night. Being allowed to foul on every possession with hardly any being called has it's advantage, but i give him credit b/c he got aroudn just about every single screen.
He matches up really well with BI due to his physicality. Now if Zion were playing its a different story because he would be on Zion and BI would get a much weaker defender.
Agree on how BI is feeling and if BI cant drive to the rim against Dort due to injuries- this isn’t going to be a long series. It shouldn’t take BI this long to get back to himself after his injury. This is a constant issue with him- we dont have 6 games for him to get back to himself.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 4:06 pm to Pels_Yaz
I agree Dort is the kind of defender that give BI problems.
Guys with length aren't who bother him, it's the guys that keep pushing him from where he wants to get on the court and making the rise for the jumpshot difficult b/c hes' having to create seperation while protecting the ball b/c the defender isn't interesting in challenging the shot, but moreso stealing it when he goes up.
The PHX series 2 years ago:
He was 10-20 (50%) against Bridges over 122 possessions (141 team points in those 122 possessions), and 5 turnovers. He was 1-7 in the last game against him.
Against Crowder he was 16-37 (43%) over 163 possessions (144 team points in those 163 possessions), and 7 turnovers. He was 1-5 in the last game against him.
BI had more success on Bridges than he did Crowder, as did the team overall.
One of the things I remember BI had a hard time with was protecting the ball against the physical Crowder when trying to back him down or get to the goal on him. BI's dribble was too high and he exposed the ball too often getting it swiped down low or picked.
Would be a lot different with Zion b/c Dort would be on him, and Jalen Williams is likely on BI, and more importantly that means Giddy or SGA is guarding CJ.
Guys with length aren't who bother him, it's the guys that keep pushing him from where he wants to get on the court and making the rise for the jumpshot difficult b/c hes' having to create seperation while protecting the ball b/c the defender isn't interesting in challenging the shot, but moreso stealing it when he goes up.
The PHX series 2 years ago:
He was 10-20 (50%) against Bridges over 122 possessions (141 team points in those 122 possessions), and 5 turnovers. He was 1-7 in the last game against him.
Against Crowder he was 16-37 (43%) over 163 possessions (144 team points in those 163 possessions), and 7 turnovers. He was 1-5 in the last game against him.
BI had more success on Bridges than he did Crowder, as did the team overall.
One of the things I remember BI had a hard time with was protecting the ball against the physical Crowder when trying to back him down or get to the goal on him. BI's dribble was too high and he exposed the ball too often getting it swiped down low or picked.
Would be a lot different with Zion b/c Dort would be on him, and Jalen Williams is likely on BI, and more importantly that means Giddy or SGA is guarding CJ.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 4:07 pm to TriggaTrey
I’ve come to the conclusion that Willie will be back. I hate it but I’ve accepted it.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 4:26 pm to BigPerm30
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I’ve come to the conclusion that Willie will be back. I hate it but I’ve accepted it.
I shite on Willie but he did a lot of things great yesterday- the rotations for the most part were really good. Gameplan made a lot of sense.
Its last 3 minutes though which exposed Willie’s weakness- which are drawing up plays and calling timeouts to get this team settled and a good shot. They need to find a way to be better in these situations- I wonder if they actually practice this stuff- like run the clock down and execute plays. Im sure they do but it doesn’t look like it at all.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 4:27 pm to BigPerm30
It's true that the final 3 minutes could've won this game. But the true point they lost this game was the final minute in the third quarter. The fouled called on Jose on the steal. The pels had a chance to take the lead back. But then OKC went on a quick run after that foul call. OKC outscored the Pels 31-25 in that quarter after that final run in the third. The Pels outscored OKC 24-20 in the fourth. Had they not closed out the third in the worst fashion, they probably still win the game.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 4:33 pm to SofaKingTrill
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It's true that the final 3 minutes could've won this game. But the true point they lost this game was the final minute in the third quarter. The fouled called on Jose on the steal. The pels had a chance to take the lead back. But then OKC went on a quick run after that foul call. OKC outscored the Pels 31-25 in that quarter after that final run in the third. The Pels outscored OKC 24-20 in the fourth. Had they not closed out the third in the worst fashion, they probably still win the game.
I mean bro they lost by 2 points you can pinpoint several things that would have won them the game.
The 3 minutes at the end to me are just more important because the amount of offensive rebounds and shot attempts they had to either tie or win the game. You just cant miss that many late shots. They scored I think 2 pts in the last 3 minutes- thats absurd.
Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:12 pm to Balsamic_duck
quote:"good playoff defense" is committing multiple fouls as defined the NBA rule book over the span of 11 seconds? C'mon man. They outlawed hand checking 15 years ago. That was more than "hard defense." Herb Jones plays hard physical defense where he shifts his feet, keeps his arms spread, and will reach for the occasional steal without straddling the offensive player.
I don't see a foul, that's just good playoff defense and I want to see more of that from the refs.
Lu Dort pushes and grabs his man over and over again.
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