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Video explains the world's most important 6-sec drum loop
Posted on 7/4/17 at 2:51 am
Posted on 7/4/17 at 2:51 am
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Should the creator of this beat have gotten paid? Can a drumbeat be considered intellectual property? Thoughts?
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This fascinating, brilliant 20-minute video narrates the history of the "Amen Break," a six-second drum sample from the b-side of a chart-topping single from 1969. This sample was used extensively in early hiphop and sample-based music, and became the basis for drum-and-bass and jungle music -- a six-second clip that spawned several entire subcultures. Nate Harrison's 2004 video is a meditation on the ownership of culture, the nature of art and creativity, and the history of a remarkable music clip.
Should the creator of this beat have gotten paid? Can a drumbeat be considered intellectual property? Thoughts?
This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 2:58 am
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:22 am to Street Hawk
That's an iconic beat, sure. But I disagree with the notion that anyone who has ever used it owes that guy some money.
Did he not get paid in 1969 with the chart topping single?
If someone steals your lyrics or an exact copy of your entire arrangement of notes, you should kill them. But music is by nature similar and overprotective is as bad or worse as underprotective from a legal standpoint, IMHO.
I have no problem with bands who play their own instruments drawing from other band's works. It's what they do.
one of my favorite examples
I do have a problem with hip-hop artist recording other people music and then playing it through a sound system. Go get a band.
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Should the creator of this beat have gotten paid?
Did he not get paid in 1969 with the chart topping single?
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Can a drumbeat be considered intellectual property? Thoughts?
If someone steals your lyrics or an exact copy of your entire arrangement of notes, you should kill them. But music is by nature similar and overprotective is as bad or worse as underprotective from a legal standpoint, IMHO.
I have no problem with bands who play their own instruments drawing from other band's works. It's what they do.
one of my favorite examples
I do have a problem with hip-hop artist recording other people music and then playing it through a sound system. Go get a band.
This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 7:24 am
Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:26 am to Breesus
quote:Why?
But I disagree with the notion that anyone who has ever used it owes that guy some money.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 9:37 am to AlxTgr
Because I don't believe in the ability to copyright a couple of seconds of music.
And because that guy made money off the record he put out. That's his money.
If someone is inspired by that beat and creates a new work modeled off of it I don't believe he has any right to that.
But, like I said, of a hip hop artist or commercial company is simply playing his record then yes he should be paid for that. But of someone made a new song off that beat that's called music.
And because that guy made money off the record he put out. That's his money.
If someone is inspired by that beat and creates a new work modeled off of it I don't believe he has any right to that.
But, like I said, of a hip hop artist or commercial company is simply playing his record then yes he should be paid for that. But of someone made a new song off that beat that's called music.
This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 9:38 am
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:27 am to Breesus
quote:I agree with that part.
If someone is inspired by that beat and creates a new work modeled off of it I don't believe he has any right to that
Posted on 7/4/17 at 10:55 am to Street Hawk
I don't think the pattern can be considered intellectual property because it's such a grey area. There are so many instances of snare on 2 and 4, kick on 1 and 3, with 8ths on hi hat. Although that is SO basic (and perhaps old) it could be argued that is public domain, and a pattern such as this amen break should be intellectual property.
I don't really have a firm stance here.
The recording I feel should be considered intellectual property. If you have to have a sample of that particular recording for your work royalties should be paid in my opinion.
I can understand why that's not the way it is I guess. You'd have an abundance of disputes about whether or not money should be paid to the original artist and law can't be counted on to simplify itself such that it wouldn't be over burdened to sort through that.
I don't really have a firm stance here.
The recording I feel should be considered intellectual property. If you have to have a sample of that particular recording for your work royalties should be paid in my opinion.
I can understand why that's not the way it is I guess. You'd have an abundance of disputes about whether or not money should be paid to the original artist and law can't be counted on to simplify itself such that it wouldn't be over burdened to sort through that.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 11:14 am to Street Hawk
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Can a drumbeat be considered intellectual property? Thoughts?
As a drummer myself (although not much of one), I think the way (and I'll confine this to popular, Western music, roughly 1920 to present) music is created, recorded/produced and then marketed have influenced the way musical instrumental rights are treated.
For the most part, the "music" and "lyrics" are what are protected. Various instrumentation, particularly rhythm parts, drum parts and even guitar solos are not always given the IP protection that chorus, verse, harmony and lyrical content is.
So, you can listen to thousands of tracks from, particularly, the 1960s and 1970s (the heyday of the session musician) and hear all sorts of improvised or enhanced bass lines, drum beats/fills/solos, and even guitar riffs and solos added by session musicians or sidemen, that were never written or even really contemplated by the "songwriter" - yet you do not see songwriting royalties flow to those musicians.
It is what it is.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 11:20 am to Breesus
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If someone is inspired by that beat and creates a new work modeled off of it I don't believe he has any right to that.
This isn't a drummer using the Purdie Shuffle in a song. A sample is not inspiration, it's using his work directly.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 11:24 am to Street Hawk
thought this was about the "Blickem" beat so many rock songs have.
Blickem blickem blickem blickem
Blickem blickem blickem blickem
Posted on 7/5/17 at 11:37 am to Ace Midnight
What happens in a case like Steal My Sunshine when an act takes 5 seconds or less from another song and creates an entire song out of that sample?
Posted on 7/5/17 at 11:52 am to AlxTgr
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What happens in a case like Steal My Sunshine when an act takes 5 seconds or less from another song and creates an entire song out of that sample?
Gregg Diamond has posthumous songwriting credit on Steal My Sunshine.
What am I missing?
This post was edited on 7/5/17 at 11:55 am
Posted on 7/5/17 at 12:20 pm to Ace Midnight
The entire song is a repeat of a few seconds from More, More, More Go to 2:20
Posted on 7/5/17 at 12:28 pm to AlxTgr
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The entire song is a repeat of a few seconds from More, More, More Go to 2:20
Like I said - Gregg Diamond (the composer of More, More, More) is credited, albeit posthumously, as cowriter of Steal My Sunshine.
IP-wise, that settles it (and is justified), IMHO.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 12:43 pm to Ace Midnight
Oh 
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