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re: Cliche? Maybe, but Led Zeppelin IV is a fantastic album...
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:44 pm to Cooter Davenport
Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:44 pm to Cooter Davenport
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How is it egregious when they played those songs COMPLETELY different than the originals? If they were just doing covers - playing the same song the same way - that would be egregious.
Ummmm.... they did do that. Led Zeppelin I is practically all covers played almost precisely how the blues bands played them. OK, on Led Zep II they at least changed the lyrics of You Need Love to Whole Lotta Love, but it's the same damn song. Their rip off of Willie dixon wasn't even close to subtle.
By Zep III, they had pretty much dropped the cover songs, but those first two albums aren't even close. Those are covers.
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Posted on 8/3/16 at 1:52 pm to Baloo
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Ummmm.... they did do that. Led Zeppelin I is practically all covers played almost precisely how the blues bands played them. OK, on Led Zep II they at least changed the lyrics of You Need Love to Whole Lotta Love, but it's the same damn song. Their rip off of Willie dixon wasn't even close to subtle.
By Zep III, they had pretty much dropped the cover songs, but those first two albums aren't even close. Those are covers.
What songs off of II are "covers?"
I might be ignorant to the facts, but it seems like at least most of the songs off of that album are original.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 2:13 pm to Baloo
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Led Zeppelin I is practically all covers played almost precisely how the blues bands played them. OK, on Led Zep II they at least changed the lyrics of You Need Love to Whole Lotta Love, but it's the same damn song. Their rip off of Willie dixon wasn't even close to subtle.
Willie got paid at least. Not everyone is so lucky.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 2:14 pm to Ace Midnight
Willie's a legend and wrote practically every recorded blues song, logically he'd be reimbursed at some point.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 2:19 pm to Cow Phunk
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What songs off of II are "covers?"
Lyrically? Whole lotta love.
Don't believe me?
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Page's riff was Page's riff. It was there before anything else. I just thought, 'well, what am I going to sing?' That was it, a nick. Now happily paid for. At the time, there was a lot of conversation about what to do. It was decided that it was so far away in time and influence that ... well, you only get caught when you're successful. That's the game.
Robert Plant
The Lemon Song borrowed heavily from Howlin' Wolf.
Obviously, Bring it on Home is a Willie Dixon record, originally by Sonny Boy Williamson on Chess.
I think the balance of II is fairly original. Nothing egregious, anyway.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 2:22 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Willie's a legend and wrote practically every recorded blues song, logically he'd be reimbursed at some point.
All true. And who knows where he got his "influences" right?
But he got the copyrights, and that's our system. Page and Plant were just so shameless about it. That's what is offputting to non-Zeppelin fans (and to some fans, in fact).
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 8/3/16 at 9:06 pm to Ace Midnight
It's truly a great album, but LZ II and Houses of the Holy, and Physical Graffiti should also be heard.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 10:29 pm to Ace Midnight
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Yeah, I know they ripped a lot of folks off,
Almost every song is inspired by another. Not sure why Zepplin gets such a bad rap.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 10:55 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Possibly because Jimmy and Peter Grant acted so posh. Jimmy is such a douchebag who kills with kindness, unlike Jeff Beck and Eric Clapton who come across as humble and are therefore more-liked than Jimmy. Jimmy GETS OFF on coming off as smarter than people in interviews. Too bad your virtuosity only lasted until Bonham's death because after that you sounded like shite compared to Beck DEFINITELY now, you smackhead.
This post was edited on 8/3/16 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 8/3/16 at 10:58 pm to Ace Midnight
It IS a fantastic album. It's the perfect synthesis of classic rock 'n roll like "Black Dog" and "Misty Mountain Hop" and of course the art ballads, most notably "Stairway to Heaven"
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
God, Jimmy was SOOO overrated during his session days. Jeff Beck and certainly Eric Clapton were better guitarists than he was yet people spoke of Jimmy as this sorcerer on the guitar. Why? Bc he used a violin bow while playing? Clapton was probably the best guitarist of that decade, hands down.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:30 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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God, Jimmy was SOOO overrated during his session days. Jeff Beck and certainly Eric Clapton were better guitarists than he was yet people spoke of Jimmy as this sorcerer on the guitar. Why? Bc he used a violin bow while playing? Clapton was probably the best guitarist of that decade, hands down.
You are probably right, but so what? Clapton went on to Cream and Beck had an incredibly talented band. Cream dissolved in 1968 and JBG had been showing cracks and called it quits in 1969. That left Peter Grant with Zeppelin which he ably guided to more than fill the gap created by the demise of those 2 bands, and the rest as they say is history.
That LZ is one of the greatest rock and roll bands in history is without question or worthy of debate. The key word there is band and as usual with great bands the whole was greater than the parts.
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:32 pm to WhopperDawg
Why was Jimmy so highly talked about in comparison to those guys? The only records from that era that Jimmy played on that stood out were those for Joe Cocker and Donovan, the others you could barely hear his playing it's such bullshite.
This post was edited on 8/4/16 at 12:56 am
Posted on 8/3/16 at 11:45 pm to WhopperDawg
By the way, Zeppelin was already popular at the time Jeff Beck Group achieved prominence so it's not like Zeppelin filled any gap but that Jeff Beck broke the group up deliberately before Woodstock so that rivalry was stifled before it could've materialized to a Beatles-Rolling Stones deal.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 12:04 am to WhopperDawg
Too bad Robert Plant was clearly incompetent at writing original lyrics whereas Steve Marriott was obviously a better singer and musician and could've added a better dimension to the group than that frick Plant.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 8:13 am to ThePTExperience1969
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By the way, Zeppelin was already popular at the time Jeff Beck Group achieved prominence so it's not like Zeppelin filled any gap but that Jeff Beck broke the group up deliberately before Woodstock so that rivalry was stifled before it could've materialized to a Beatles-Rolling Stones deal.
Well, no. JBG predated LZ. In fact, Page and JPJs played on some single cuts prior to Truth which was released in 1968 vs LZ (1) which came out in early 1969. They broke up due to internal strife by mid-69 when Stewart and Woods left due to said strife. It has nothing to do with LZ. Note that Grant was involved with both bands, LZ to a greater degree, and when JBG imploded he in fact took full opportunity of that for LZ - Cream gone, JBG gone and viola.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 8:19 am to ThePTExperience1969
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Steve Marriott was obviously a better singer
Eh???
Shirley you jest.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 9:04 am to ThePTExperience1969
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Possibly because Jimmy and Peter Grant acted so posh. Jimmy is such a douchebag who kills with kindness, unlike Jeff Beck and Eric Clapton who come across as humble and are therefore more-liked than Jimmy. Jimmy GETS OFF on coming off as smarter than people in interviews. Too bad your virtuosity only lasted until Bonham's death because after that you sounded like shite compared to Beck DEFINITELY now, you smackhead
You come off a slightly unhinged hater. Did Jimmy Page sleep with your ol lady or something?
Maybe Jimmy Page is overrated, but the guys you are comparing him to were in bands that broke up and left a void that Zeppelin filled. That's their fault, not Page's. People generally don't want to listen to famous band members' 'solo' albums. They want to hear a legit band where the sum is greater than the parts, and that was Zeppelin.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 9:07 am to Baloo
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Ummmm.... they did do that. Led Zeppelin I is practically all covers played almost precisely how the blues bands played them. OK, on Led Zep II they at least changed the lyrics of You Need Love to Whole Lotta Love, but it's the same damn song. Their rip off of Willie dixon wasn't even close to subtle.
I disagree that they were played precisely as the blues band had played them. Zeppelin turned every element of energy and vigor and swagger in those songs up to 11. The end result hardly compares to the originals at all. Oh the lyrics were the same? Who cares? Blues lyrics are always the same. Those songs have all been recycled 1,000 times. Plant didn't sing them the same way at all anyway.
Posted on 8/4/16 at 4:15 pm to Cooter Davenport
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Blues lyrics are always the same. Those songs have all been recycled 1,000 times.
This is the most intelligent offering from this whole thread. Who played it first? Willie Dixon? Sonny Boy? Blind Melon Chitlin? Lightnin Hopkins? Noone will ever know who played it first. Zep turned these songs into rock, not bluesy drunken meandering songs..
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