re: The Official DragonBall Thread....est 2012

I'd love to see Pikkon.

It was certainly better than the Caulifla/Cabba/Kale episodes

Godtube, Piccolo and 17 meeting again, Vegeta having to defend Frieza to Trunks, and Frieza blasting the assassin through Goku's cheek all put a little smile on my face but I was left with a sour impression with the long transformation into the Gold Form when we already saw it. Could you imagine if Goku spent as long on turning SSj as he did the first time on Namek everytime?

Also, how fortunate for Beerus that Hit stepped down in the 6 vs 7 tournament or Universe 6's team would be unstoppable.

6 would be:
Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Buu, Caulifla, Cabba, Kale, Hit (or substitute Piccolo, Frost, etc if they are stronger than Cabba or Caulifla)

7 would be:
some namekians, some yardats, maybe a revived Frieza or Pikkon

I still can't get over how bad of a father Goku is. I know DBZ Abridged harps on it a lot, but it still kind of funny to think about.

I've been rewatching DBZ and with some of the moments in Super, Vegeta just seems like a much better father.

Goku:
Never shows any real affection for Chi Chi (hasn't even kissed her once in ~20 years of marriage)
Abuses Chi Chi a few times (accidentally, but still)
Doesn't hang out with Chi Chi, Gohan, or Goten unless necessary (and even then flakes out at a moments notice)
Refuses to be wished back to earth after the Frieza saga...
Refuses to be revived after the Cell saga...
Despite hanging out with King Kai in the afterlife, never once checks in on Gohan or Chi Chi during his 7 years there
Doesn't hug Mystic Gohan back
Goes off to train Uub for years instead of taking Uub in to train with he, Gohan, Goten, Pan, etc.
Is rarely with Gohan, Goten, Pan, or Chi Chi in Super

Vegeta:
Suicidal charge against Cell for attacking his son's future self
Trains and hangs out with his son (plans to take him to the park)
Hugs his son before sacrificing himself (with the knowledge that he would be going to Hell)
Suicidal charge against the God of Destruction for attacking his wife
Sticks by his wife's side for a pretty large chunk of Super so far


Goku just kind of treats Gohan as a friend and fellow fighter and not really a son...even when he is 6.

Obviously, Vegeta was a shite father early on completely disregarding baby Trunks, refusing to have anything to do with Future Trunks, etc but he grew more than just about any other character in DBZ. (Piccolo went from a villain to being a father figure to and eventually sacrificing himself for Gohan and he genuinely cared about Gohan's well-being so he may be the best father figure on the show)

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Goku's happy-go-lucky attitude distracts people from seeing how shitty he is as a family man.

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The Japanese version, and the American version are 2 vastly different characters. That's the biggest reason why most people dont understand how bad of a person he can be.

The Japanese version doesn't care about anything but fighting the next powerful guy. The American version is a knock off superman, fighting for truth and justice. It's a major dichotomy, and rewrite, of the character.

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He doesn't try to force Gohan/Goten into martial arts

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That's because he was dead.

Episode 95 was complete trash. Apparently by sitting in a cocoon in hell, Frieza was not only able to get ride of his Golden Forms stamina thing but get stronger. He literally did not train physically at all but somehow is as strong as Goku now. Toei has been pulling asspull powerups the entire show but this takes the cake

Nope. Gohan went SSJ2 TO Music. Vegeta went SSJ2 to Ascended SSJ to SSJB

What will Vegeta's reaction be to Frieza being stronger than him again?

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Freeza and Gohan all caught up to SSB without long intense training sessions or fighting strong people

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And Trunks did it because he got angry. They never did explain what exactly his transformation was either.

Actually, he surpassed base SSB at the time.


At least at the end of episode 95 they showed Frieza and Goke were equals in power in golden and base SSB forms. So Goku would be far stronger in his SSB-kaiokenx10 form. Question is, what form comes next.

Or....

Remember at the beginning of Whis' training he told them they let too much power bleed out and they needed to keep it within their bodies to achieve maximum power? Well, what if Goku simply figures that out? Afterall, t is what the OP animation kind of implies. After the red energy light goes out, he fights Jiren without any energy surrounding him. So he figures out to go SSB-kaiokenx10 and not let any of that power escape. Dude would be a monster. Because currently, the amount of energy he bleeds out in that form is enormous. Maybe even a full half of what he produces just bleeds out of his body, wasting a ton of power.