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re: The Jinx- new HBO miniseries
Posted on 3/17/15 at 12:52 pm to DelU249
Posted on 3/17/15 at 12:52 pm to DelU249
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if the guy wasn't discussing his involvement in 3 homicides then you wouldn't really find him odd at all, and that's what it really boils down to
That's just bullshite.
The way he carries himself you can tell something is different about him.
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Posted on 3/17/15 at 12:52 pm to Tiger Ryno
Posted on 3/17/15 at 12:57 pm to rlebl39
Explain?
What else is odd about him in the interview? Blinking? He's discussing 3 murders in which he's the prime suspect. He details how he dismembered a body and disguised himself as a mute cross dresser. He is the first born son of a Manhattan real estate empire. Of course there's something different about him.
What else is odd about him in the interview? Blinking? He's discussing 3 murders in which he's the prime suspect. He details how he dismembered a body and disguised himself as a mute cross dresser. He is the first born son of a Manhattan real estate empire. Of course there's something different about him.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 1:10 pm to DelU249
His vernacular is pretty odd in itself. I can't think of exact examples, other than the way he carried himself just came off as very odd. Hell he even described himself as not fitting in with his family or having friends.
The way he would get fixated on one thing, like the word "cadaver", because he heard that word mentioned a lot from his wife when she was a med student. Most people don't call a dead body a cadaver. This is a sign of a form of autism.
The way he would get fixated on one thing, like the word "cadaver", because he heard that word mentioned a lot from his wife when she was a med student. Most people don't call a dead body a cadaver. This is a sign of a form of autism.
This post was edited on 3/17/15 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 3/17/15 at 1:12 pm to DelU249
quote:Sure but people with ASD have varying degrees of social difficulties and communication difficulty. Some will lack empathy altogether; some will have a desire to empathize, but misread the situation; while others, like you describe general have empathy but lack the social skills and communication skills to convey that. Two of those three is a deficit in empathy (i.e., theory of mind) and the other appears like a deficit of empathy so to others, that is the case. Basically, you may process information completely different than others with ASD; it doesn't make one valid or another.
You can put yourself in other people's shoes, but how do you relate that? That's it. It's not really all that hard.
I relate to other people's experiences, but I'm often terrible at relating that to others via body language, discussion, etc. ted bundy, Dennis rader, Joel rifkin, they cannot empathize with you. What makes them scary is you wouldn't know it.
What typically separates ASD from the old axis ii disorders (e.g., personality disorders) is that a personality is enduring. Sometimes it's hard, if not impossible, to separate a personality disorder from other conditions. Where I would differentiate ASD empathy difficulties with antisocial personality disorder is that antisocial is a complete disregard rather than a deficit in processing information.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 1:18 pm to rlebl39
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like the word "cadaver", because he heard that word mentioned a lot from his wife when she was a med student. Most people don't call a dead body a cadaver. This is a sign of a form of autism.
Probably the only thing I rolled my eyes at in the entire documentary. They acted like that was some uber rare word that only highly specialized people would ever use. I've used that word hundreds of times in my life. Hell I think one of the Pogs I had when I was a kid had that one it. Going through science classes in high school and college you're exposed to that word. If you watch any type of medical or crime show, you've heard that word.
Now, if I was leaving that note myself I probably would have said body...but I don't think the fact that he said cadaver AUTOMATIALLY should lead investigaors to someone who has relation (ie a wife) in the medical field. Nor does it have anythign in the slightest to do with him having or not having autism.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 1:24 pm to buckeye_vol
We've hijacked the OP
If you can listen to Joel rifkin speak about his crimes and say there isn't a deficit in that regard well then
If you can listen to Joel rifkin speak about his crimes and say there isn't a deficit in that regard well then
Posted on 3/17/15 at 1:25 pm to WG_Dawg
It's an unusual word no? Not antiquated but i think "stiff" is probably more common
It's like someone saying they're going to go enjoy a beverage
I'm curious if he left the note for the dogs or because he didn't want her rotting. Hard to imagine the latter considering he hacked up a body (possibly 2. He referred to his wife's body as "body parts"
It's like someone saying they're going to go enjoy a beverage
I'm curious if he left the note for the dogs or because he didn't want her rotting. Hard to imagine the latter considering he hacked up a body (possibly 2. He referred to his wife's body as "body parts"
This post was edited on 3/17/15 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 3/17/15 at 1:30 pm to DelU249
Btw does anyone know what ever happened ot the first wife? Are we to assume she was in teh lake near the cottage or something? Have investigators ever searched that area in the past few years?
Posted on 3/17/15 at 1:30 pm to rlebl39
Both of you I was kind of a dick. Apologies. I'm sure you can empathize with my frustration in this regard
Posted on 3/17/15 at 1:31 pm to WG_Dawg
No. They asked him what divers at his home were looking for and he said "body parts"
So I'm guessing she is in several places
So I'm guessing she is in several places
This post was edited on 3/17/15 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 3/17/15 at 1:36 pm to DelU249
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Both of you I was kind of a dick. Apologies. I'm sure you can empathize with my frustration in this regard
It's cool. That's what this board is for, to discuss differing opinions.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 1:37 pm to rlebl39
You didn't get the joke? After all of that!?
It was sincere, but cmon
It was sincere, but cmon
Posted on 3/17/15 at 1:45 pm to DelU249
quote:
I'm sure you can empathize with my frustration in this regard
I see it now. That went over my head.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 5:48 pm to DelU249
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So killing his wife had purpose? What purpose?
Purpose for him. I didn't say good purpose. But for him, her death had a purpose.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 5:53 pm to Tigerfan56
Yeah. I don't see what people are finding difficult to grasp here. Everyone will kill someone if they have a reason. For Durst, losing half of his money in a divorce and pressure from his family is a reason. Not a good one. But it is one. Her death served a purpose for him for sure, even if none of us think that purpose was enough to justify killing her.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 6:01 pm to SwaggerCopter
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Yeah. I don't see what people are finding difficult to grasp here. Everyone will kill someone if they have a reason. For Durst, losing half of his money in a divorce and pressure from his family is a reason. Not a good one. But it is one. Her death served a purpose for him for sure, even if none of us think that purpose was enough to justify killing her.
This is what I'm saying. I don't think that makes someone "pure evil". It makes them a terrible person and someone who clearly has issues. But "pure evil" is thrown around too much. He doesn't appear to be killing for fun, or killing random people.
I mean he even notified the police of the body, which is an act in itself which shows he has some compassion.
Posted on 3/17/15 at 6:06 pm to rlebl39
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His vernacular is pretty odd in itself. I can't think of exact examples,
How about how he talks about himself in the third person a lot?
Posted on 3/17/15 at 7:50 pm to yurintroubl
chilling account from Doug
quote:
Perhaps the most disturbing claim against Durst, at least in its specificity and believability, comes from Robert’s brother Douglas Durst, and concerns dogs rather than humans. In a rare interview with the New York Times in January, 2015, Douglas—who described his brother as “a true psychopath”—spoke about the deaths of Robert’s seven Alaskan Malamuts named Igor:
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“Before the disappearance of my sister-in-law, Bob had a series of Alaskan Malamutes, which is like a husky,” Douglas Durst said. “He had seven of them, and they all died, mysteriously, of different things, within six months of his owning them. All of them named Igor. We don’t know how they died, and what happened to their bodies. "
"In retrospect,” he says, “I now believe he was practicing killing and disposing his wife with those dogs.” Douglas also mentions that Robert would use Igor as a verb, claiming, “When he was in jail in Pennsylvania, he was recorded saying, ‘I want to Igor Douglas.'” In that same interview Douglas said, “There’s no doubt in my mind that if he had the opportunity to kill me, he would.”
This post was edited on 3/17/15 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 3/17/15 at 8:01 pm to massiveattack
Doug has his own issues. He's just trying to distance himself now
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