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re: The Foundation
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:17 pm to PsychTiger
Posted on 8/30/23 at 1:17 pm to PsychTiger
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If you’re too rigidly attached to the source material you’ll likely never enjoy any adaptation of it. Expect to be perpetually disappointed in the future. This is just reality.
In this instance, you don't have to be rigidly attached to it to know this doesn't even resemble the source. I'm not even talking about the race and gender swaps that most get mad about, I'm talking just the story in general. You're making it sound like nothing someone really likes can be properly adopted.
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Posted on 8/31/23 at 10:02 pm to SantaFe
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I've read the books before this show came out.
An abomination.
Can't be worse than Rings of Power, at least.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 10:31 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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Can't be worse than Rings of Power, at least.
I've watched some Prime Video original garbage, but for the production costs of Rings of Power to be 250m was astounding. LOTR Return of the king cost under 100m. That's like college cost inflation with worse results.
Posted on 9/1/23 at 8:25 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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Can't be worse than Rings of Power, at least.
Tolkien is my favorite author of all time. I love his works 10x more than I do Asimovs. Or pretty much any other author for that matter
But I was able to finish Rings of Power. I can't finish this. Foundation (at least in season one, but I can't imagine it getting back on track), broke from source more than Rings of Power did. Had you read Foundation, you'd definitely be calling it woke. The difference being though is that Foundation is probably a good sci-fi show where Rings of Power was a giant meh.
Posted on 9/1/23 at 9:13 am to iwyLSUiwy
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but I can't imagine it …broke from source more than Rings of Power did
Umm… “warrior” Galadriel? Origins of Mithril? Sword key to unlock a water park ride that turns on Mt. Doom, thus creating Morrrrdor?
(it had already existed , by the way) I could do this all day!
This post was edited on 9/1/23 at 9:15 am
Posted on 9/1/23 at 11:11 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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Umm… “warrior” Galadriel?
This is the one I will semi defend. Tolkien himself did mention Galadriel being a warrior.
"Galadriel was a penitent: in her youth a leader in the rebellion against the Valar (the angelic guardians)."
"she fought fiercely against Fëanor in defence of her mother's kin" (Unfinished Tales)
She had Faught and had been a warrior at one point. Just not in the way RoP showed. Not just going around fighting orcs and wearing knights armor.
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Origins of Mithril?
Probably my least favorite part and biggest offense.
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Sword key to unlock a water park ride that turns on Mt. Doom, thus creating Morrrrdor?
Also terrible.
Posted on 9/1/23 at 1:40 pm to Potchafa
I personally like it. Not a lot of great sci fi on right now
Posted on 9/1/23 at 6:43 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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"Galadriel was a penitent: in her youth a leader in the rebellion against the Valar (the angelic guardians)."
She NEVER fought against the Valar. Along with her family, they defied them, but never FOUGHT against them. Where are you getting this? She was possibly involved in the *Kinslaying, but Tolkien never clarified if she actually took up arms or not. She certainly was involved but was never a bonafide 'warrior'. She was tall, athletic and powerful, but single handedly slaying of ice Trolls, while all the other male elves cowered in the corner, was never on her resume'.
*The Kinslaying at Alqualondë was the first slaying of Elf by Elf by the forces of Fëanor to hasten their pursuit of Morgoth who had fled with the Silmarils to Middle-earth, and was the act that banned the Ñoldor from returning to Aman, the lands of the West, for centuries. It occurred soon after the destruction of the Two Trees of Valinor, on the cusp of the First Age.
Posted on 9/1/23 at 11:27 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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I could do this all day!
But we really wish you wouldn't.
That user's statement doesn't make much sense when compared with Rings, though.
RoP was changing details, filling in others, but overall making relatively minor changes. Those minor changes are significant, though, when the author wrote thousands of pages devoted solely to the world-building of his literary universe.
Foundation, and Asimov, had very little interest in minute details of characters or worlds. He plowed through hundreds of years of history and plot, without any memorable characters outside of Seldon, in service of his ideas. The idea of a "faithful adaptation" of Foundation for television is ridiculous. The show has created characters and worlds and villains (The empirical genetic dynasty is awesome, by the way) so that it can function as a normal, modern prestige show.
While I don't give a frick about Tolkein's obsessive world-building (and I wont pretend to know every detail that was changed in the show), it definitely lends itself better to adaptation than any Asimov I've read. Unfortunate that rights holders aren't actually interested in letting the TV show adapt what was fleshed out by Tolkien.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 9:14 am to Jay Are
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(The empirical genetic dynasty is awesome, by the way
And makes sense from a show production standpoint. If you’re gonna follow both Foundation and Empire over the course of hundreds of years you don’t want to make your audience learn new main characters every few episodes.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 10:58 am to Jay Are
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The idea of a "faithful adaptation" of Foundation for television is ridiculous
It’s actually not. A faithful adaption doesn’t have to spot on in every aspect. It should at least feel like the original story. A show where the main story line and characters didn’t even exist and those that did are completely different than they were in the books is not even close. It’s Foundation in name only. I mean it’s not the first time a show has done this and won’t be the last, but I’m not going to give them praise for changing literally everything. You want to pretend it’s even remotely close, that’s fine, but it’s not, and it could have been done closer to the source.
Again, I’m not even arguing it’s a bad show. To argue that they are doing a good job of adapting this book is what’s ridiculous.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 11:39 am to Potchafa
I've really gotten into it the last three or four episodes.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 12:07 pm to Potchafa
some episodes are good, not many, but some
the acting can be over the top sometimes and eyeroll inducing writing, but underneath there are some solid sci-fi concepts and occasionally really good content
the acting can be over the top sometimes and eyeroll inducing writing, but underneath there are some solid sci-fi concepts and occasionally really good content
Posted on 9/2/23 at 6:15 pm to minimal
After what I felt were a few sluggish episodes overall, The Empire plot got very good this week. Next week should be good. 2 more episodes this season I think.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:59 pm to Esquire
***Spoilers for Episode 9***
And so passes the 1st Foundation. Terminus indeed.
And so passes the 1st Foundation. Terminus indeed.
Posted on 9/17/23 at 9:32 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
So season 2 finished. Surprised at a few things, hate to see some characters go, but also wasn't entirely satisfied with some of the plot contrivances used to advance the story.
At least, I think they may have taken some liberties with the source material, based on the episode podcast I listened to. Came off as 'wouldn't it be cool if ...' and then something happens, mainly because the story needed it to happen? IDK, not entirely sold on how they arrived at some points, but oh well. Still a watchable show.
*And I can't help but notice... It's bigger on the inside.
IYKYK
At least, I think they may have taken some liberties with the source material, based on the episode podcast I listened to. Came off as 'wouldn't it be cool if ...' and then something happens, mainly because the story needed it to happen? IDK, not entirely sold on how they arrived at some points, but oh well. Still a watchable show.
*And I can't help but notice... It's bigger on the inside.
IYKYK
This post was edited on 9/17/23 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 9/18/23 at 2:45 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
A bit cheap to destroy the planet but everyone on it miraculously survives, while the entire Empire fleet self-destructs.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 8:50 am to PsychTiger
Did the books have men mugging down in them? So sick of this shite.
Posted on 9/19/23 at 8:55 am to PsychTiger
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And so passes the 1st Foundation. Terminus indeed.
I thought they were synthesizing the stuff the spacers need on terminus.... How are they gonna do that now that terminus is gone? I love this show and hope the writers strike doesnt frick it up
Posted on 9/25/23 at 2:15 pm to PsychTiger
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A bit cheap to destroy the planet but everyone on it miraculously survives, while the entire Empire fleet self-destructs.
So did they survive or are they just in different form?
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