re: The Flash Season One Thread

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it's not that we can't "figure it out" it's that we CAN figure it out and that makes it bad for the writers that want to pick and choose what is and isn't affected by it.

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but you aren't "figuring it out". Thinking it through some more and you'll realize that it's a never ending case of "if this happens than this never happened. but if that never happened than this can never happen".

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it's not that we can't "figure it out" it's that we CAN figure it out and that makes it bad for the writers that want to pick and choose what is and isn't affected by it.

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You can never answer all of the theoretical questions/events that transpire when dealing with traveling back in time. Traveling forward in time is theoretically possible, but traveling back in time really isn't. The only hope you have at coming close to answering all of the ensuing questions is to use the theory that at the exact time you change the future, a new branch in history is created and the old one is still intact exactly as it was (as if that event never happened). And even that theory has it's holes. Traveling back in time is a paradox

In this case, you could say that since Thawne never existed, Star Labs shouldn't be standing since he built it. But you could also say that since Thawne was erased from existence after he built Star Labs, it should still be standing. There is no right or wrong answer to the question as to whether or not Star Labs should still be standing, because the sheer thought of it is a paradox. There is no sense in running yourself in circles trying to figure out a paradox.

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what I said was correct

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Is it though? No, it's neither correct or wrong.

You said,

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also if starlabs was built by the thawn-wells and he wound up never existing, wouldn't everything he had built disappear too?

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but if Thawne would never have existed, Eddie would have never needed to kill himself so Thawne would of ended up existing.

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a crappy time travel script like that isn't worth my time to sit around and pick it apart.

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Yet you are

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yea that seemed somewhat evident at the time of the flashback kill seen with the tire strips..

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No one seems to be understanding that every time they say this.

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Nothing pertaining to Dr. Wells was at the crime scene. Thawne did not transfer/duplicate Wells' DNA until after he killed Barry's mom.

So the blood at the crime scene was Thawne's, which present day STAR labs and company did not have.

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It makes my point.

The blood at the crime scene is Thawne's. It is not Wells' DNA, nor is Thawne's blood partially coded within Wells' DNA. Thawne's DNA disappeared completely when he retrofitted his body into Wells. Or his DNA from the crime scene would have been a partial match when they compared it to Wells' DNA. If he only partially coded Wells'to himself.

For Barry, and Thawne, to connect to the SpeedForce. Their cells were changed. However, Thawne no longer has his original cells that were changed to gain access to the speed force. He only has Wells' DNA. So how then, can he connect to the Speed Force?

In the original iteration of the RF, his powers are a residual effect left over in one of Barry's suits. So without the suit he has no power. They hint at this when they have the tachion particle thingamajig attached to the RF suit. Except he is also powering himself while riding around in his chair, as well as the fact he uses the Speed Force without the suit when he confronts and kills Cisco.

Also, his original blood at the crime scene, did not have the changed cells that come from altering one's self to access the Speed Force. His blood at the crime scene should have the identical changes that appear in Barry's cells.

Just saying, the writers whiffed.

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no, im really not, because i didn't even bother to point out there would be no Flash, so no need for the show.

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Except there would be a flash. The OG flash that Barry saw in the finale.

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For Barry, and Thawne, to connect to the SpeedForce. Their cells were changed. However, Thawne no longer has his original cells that were changed to gain access to the speed force. He only has Wells' DNA. So how then, can he connect to the Speed Force?

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How do you know that the Speed Force changed ones DNA/cells? What if it just affects ones cells. In the comics, the Speed Force is basically like the Force from the original 3 Star Wars movies, in that it's everywhere, effecting everything. So maybe it is tied to a person's spirit and affects their body, and not actually tied to just their body/cells.

I'm just spit balling here.

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future Flash would not exist if past Flash didn't exist, I'm sorry this is so difficult for you, but it's you, not everyone.

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Why would there be no Flash when Flash existed before Thawne went back and killed his mother (he just became the Flash later in life)?

Y'all's bickering back and forth reminds me of Chet Haywood's HR against Rick Vaughn in Major League.

-Too High Too High
-What do u mean to high? Too Hard!
-if a ball is on an angle and it's going too high...
-WHO GIVES A shite?!? ITS GONE!!

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if there's no particle accelerator to have an accident, then theres no FLash..

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Did you even watch this season?

If Thawne never exists, then Wells (the real one) builds the particle accelerator himself, finishing years later than Thawne did it. As he did in the future Flash's time line.

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Y'all's bickering back and forth reminds me of Chet Haywood's HR against Rick Vaughn in Major League.

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The sad thing is, I know better than to get into time travel nitpicking arguments. Yet here I am, arguing it. ...