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The Dark Knight's Batman vs. Bane
Posted on 5/11/16 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 5/11/16 at 2:12 pm
Bane is supposed to be physically superior to Batman in every way. However, within the context of Nolan's universe, who would you go with in a fight between Batman in his prime & Bane (caveat: nothing goes wrong with Bane's mask during the fight)?
From the way Batman, 8 years retired and rusty as hell, was able to fight Bane in TDKR, I've always felt like Batman, when he was in his prime, would destroy Bane.
Who would you go with?
From the way Batman, 8 years retired and rusty as hell, was able to fight Bane in TDKR, I've always felt like Batman, when he was in his prime, would destroy Bane.
Who would you go with?
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Posted on 5/11/16 at 2:15 pm to Tom288
That was one of the, if not the biggest plot holes in the whole movie. It was also the dumbest part of that film and possibly the trilogy. Batman is a master at planning and evaluating, breaking down his enemies. In the first go around, he was betrayed and forced to fight. Bane thus kicked his arse in a hand to hand brawl. So what does Bats do differently in the next fight? Absolutely nothing, just goes hand to hand with him once again and wins because he lands a lucky shot fricking up Bane's mask.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 2:35 pm to xxKylexx
Should have used the batmobile assisted takedown like in Arkham Knight.
It is an all out war with an atomic bomb being waged against my city and your dumbarse is just chilling out in the open.
Ain't got no time to be boxing with you.
It is an all out war with an atomic bomb being waged against my city and your dumbarse is just chilling out in the open.
Ain't got no time to be boxing with you.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 2:36 pm to xxKylexx
I agree with this, but it could've been worse. Batman's mom could have had the same name as Bane's mom and then they would've just became best friends.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 2:39 pm to Tiger4life306
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Batman's mom could have had the same name as Bane's mom and then they would've just became best friends
this is so played out now - get new material.
that said, I think Bane would have taken him regardless if i twas h2h - but if Batman used toys, then batman has the edge
Posted on 5/11/16 at 2:48 pm to Tom288
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Who would you go with?
I think that bitter and grizzled Batfleck would've bombed him from the Batplane and been done with it.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 2:55 pm to xxKylexx
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just goes hand to hand with him once again and wins
This is easily explained with a viewing of Rocky 3.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 3:01 pm to Tom288
I think you missed the not so subtle message from Alfred prior to the fight... Bruce at that time was unconsciously looking for an "out" due to his inability to get over losing Rachel and having lost the need for Batman (i.e. Gotham was cleaned up by preserving the Dent lie).
While his rust had plenty to do with the defeat, it was more mental. Hence the redemption moment coming out of the well required him to readjust his mental/psychology outlook BACK to what made him Batman.
While his rust had plenty to do with the defeat, it was more mental. Hence the redemption moment coming out of the well required him to readjust his mental/psychology outlook BACK to what made him Batman.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 3:06 pm to schexyoung
Well said 
I love TDKR, despite it's flaws.
I love TDKR, despite it's flaws. Posted on 5/11/16 at 3:10 pm to RLDSC FAN
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despite it's flaws
Most of the "flaws" could also be found in any other comic movie if the same level scrutiny was applied. The only major issue I had with the story was John Blake guessing Batman's identify by the despaired look on his face.
Good movie, the worst of the Nolan trilogy but much better than most of the comic book movie genre.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 3:17 pm to schexyoung
I think Batman Begins' Batman kicks the shite out of Bane
Posted on 5/11/16 at 3:20 pm to schexyoung
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I think you missed the not so subtle message from Alfred prior to the fight... Bruce at that time was unconsciously looking for an "out" due to his inability to get over losing Rachel and having lost the need for Batman (i.e. Gotham was cleaned up by preserving the Dent lie).
While his rust had plenty to do with the defeat, it was more mental. Hence the redemption moment coming out of the well required him to readjust his mental/psychology outlook BACK to what made him Batman.
No, I'm well aware of that. But Alfred also points out the speed & ferocity of Bane's fighting, not just the power of belief. I'm well aware that Bruce wasn't Batman psychologically until he climbed out of the pit; he even tells Gordon, "What if he (Batman) doesn't exist anymore?"
But you still have to factor in Bruce's physical condition at the time. From the appointment with the doctor, which reveals how much damage Bruce's body has taken, to Bane commenting on how Batman had lost his strength (victory/his retirement for 8 years) it's clear that Bruce is nowhere near being in top shape physically.
I'm purposefully setting aside the fact that being Batman is as much a psychological issue as it is a physical one because it's not relevant for my scenario. Bane is supposed to be physically superior to Batman regardless of Batman's condition, however within Nolan's universe it's questionable as to how big of a gap there is, if there is one at all, between Batman in his prime & Bane. Hence the question.
This post was edited on 5/11/16 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 5/11/16 at 3:32 pm to Tom288
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No, I'm well aware of that. But Alfred also points out the speed & ferocity of Bane's fighting, not just the power of belief. I'm well aware that Bruce wasn't Batman psychologically until he climbed out of the pit; he even tells Gordon, "What if he (Batman) doesn't exist anymore?"
Agreed, you just didn't mention in the OP.
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But you still have to factor in Bruce's physical condition at the time. From the appointment with the doctor, which reveals how much damage Bruce's body has taken, to Bane commenting on how Batman had lost his strength (victory/his retirement for 8 years) it's clear that Bruce is nowhere near being in top shape physically.
"You fight like a younger man, with nothing held back. Admirable but mistaken." - is a great line from Bane and highlights Batman's failure to stay on his game, which is an issue from going dormant for eight years.
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I'm purposefully setting aside the fact that being Batman is as much a psychological issue as it is a physical one because it's not relevant for my scenario. Bane is supposed to be physically superior to Batman regardless of Batman's condition, however within Nolan's universe it's questionable as to how big of a gap there is, if there is one at all, between Batman in his prime & Bane. Hence the question.
I do think Bane is the physical superior to both the Begins or TDK Batman. However, both of those Batman's wouldn't have fallen into a trap and would have fought with heart. TDKR Batman basically went into the fight without any preparation, which is completely against the paranoid nature of Batman.
This post was edited on 5/11/16 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 5/11/16 at 3:59 pm to Tiger4life306
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I agree with this, but it could've been worse. Batman's mom could have had the same name as Bane's mom and then they would've just became best friends.
Just the discussion of TDKR brings me back to the time where Batman had coherent and well thought out storytelling in movies. Amazing how much damage BVS can do. Hopefully Affleck is able to bring it back.
This post was edited on 5/11/16 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 5/11/16 at 4:28 pm to Tom288
There were some awful fight scenes in that movie... especially the hilariously bad riot/fight with cops.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 4:29 pm to schexyoung
Is batman in BvS the same Batman as in the Dark Knight?
Posted on 5/11/16 at 4:36 pm to geauxtigers6492
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Is batman in BvS the same Batman as in the Dark Knight?
No.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 5:23 pm to xxKylexx
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That was one of the, if not the biggest plot holes in the whole movie. It was also the dumbest part of that film and possibly the trilogy. Batman is a master at planning and evaluating, breaking down his enemies. In the first go around, he was betrayed and forced to fight. Bane thus kicked his arse in a hand to hand brawl. So what does Bats do differently in the next fight? Absolutely nothing, just goes hand to hand with him once again and wins because he lands a lucky shot fricking up Bane's mask.
What he does differently is exploit Bane's weakness.
He had no idea who Bane was until fight one.
He employed tactics that you said he normally employs. And with a little help and distraction and ruining Bane's mask, he wins.
I don't get your problem.
Posted on 5/11/16 at 5:50 pm to Tom288
How can Bane be such a hand to hand badass if all you have to do is bust his breathing mask?
Posted on 5/11/16 at 6:41 pm to BoostAddict
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There were some awful fight scenes in that movie... especially the hilariously bad riot/fight with cops.
Not as bad as Marion Cotillard dying scene
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