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re: The 1980s was a decade of very strange high fantasy. Why?

Posted on 11/16/16 at 12:35 am to
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 12:35 am to
That was Cannon Films' rule of thumb.

Those guys could do T&A filled schlock better than anyone.

Posted by bcoop199
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 3:10 am to
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Y'all are making my point. 

I said I may have missed a few. But no one has yet explained why high fantasy in the '80s always took place in the distant past.


Blade Runner?
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 6:25 am to
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Why?


Cocaine is a helleva drug
Posted by mizzoukills
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 7:20 am to
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Cocaine is a helleva drug



I don't disagree
Posted by Zephyrius
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 8:17 am to
Tolkien, Dungeon and Dragons and everyone learned mythology in school... All of this were a big influence on fantasy in the eighties...

Also during the 70's anything futuristic fantasy(IE Logan's Run) was apocalyptic due to the cold war and nuclear arms race with the Russians.
Posted by mizzoukills
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 9:00 am to
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Blade Runner?



Obviously there are exceptions and Blade Runner is one of those exceptions. However, Blade Runner could've fit well in the Star Wars universe which took place millions or billions of years ago.
Posted by TROLA
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 9:04 am to
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Time Bandits is a decent example of my theory - put Terry Gilliam in the director's chair and see what happens.
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A remake of this is a must with today's tech.. it didn't rely on it but it would add such a presence to an underrated cult classic..
This post was edited on 11/16/16 at 9:15 am
Posted by Scoop
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 9:11 am to
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Cocaine
Posted by Cooter Davenport
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 11:22 am to
Dune, man. The one movie no one has been successful making despite multiple attempts.
Posted by mizzoukills
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 11:27 am to
Dune was included in my list...
Posted by LoveThatMoney
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 1:26 pm to
Hollywood goes through phases. Today is the era of comic book movies, which are actually fairly akin to fantasy movies (I hesitate to use the term "high fantasy" as that often denotes something else entirely). The 80s was the era of b movies and, among those, were fantasy movies like He-man and Conan the Barbarian and Legend. And when one does well, there tend to be others that follow suit, hoping to capitalize on the previous success.
Posted by mizzoukills
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 1:36 pm to
I appreciate the obvious answer, LoveThatMoney...but your explanation still doesn't explain why these futuristic movies took place in the distant past.
Posted by t00f
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 2:46 pm to
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Cocaine.


I was going to say acid. Look no further than Liquid Sky.

Posted by LoveThatMoney
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 2:56 pm to
Most of what you've listed isn't "futuristic." You can make that argument for Star Wars and Dune and that's about it. So your question regarding "futuristic fantasy set in the past" is nonsensical.

But I will give you the answer again to make it get through your thick skull: Hollywood runs in phases. When Star Wars blew up in the late 70s, everyone tried to get in on it. That spun off into direct ripoffs as well as movies that took cues from Star Wars (e.g. incorporating the hero's quest, blatant good versus evil, etc.).
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 3:39 pm to
On a side note, I love how the 80s were unabashedly un-PC.

You would never see advertising like this in the 90s - now.









Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 5:10 pm to
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But, again, why were high fantasy movies from a time "long ago" popular in the '80s? What drove their popularity?


Part of it was the pendulum swinging back from the "gritty, realistic" films - now that started innocently enough - films like Bonnie and Clyde, Butch and Sundance, Cool Hand Luke and The Wild Bunch - these represented a significant departure from the "Golden Age" of Hollywood. I mean, the Hays Code died with Some Like it Hot, but it took awhile for filmmakers to really stretch their legs with big budget movies. More violence - somewhat darker tone than in the more cheery (overall, obviously there are exceptions) - darker themes, even. You see that even in films like The Graduate and The Last Picture Show as the decade turned over.

By the time we get into the 70s, you had films like The Godfather, Chinatown, and so forth continuing the theme. Now, you had other trends during that time, like the big budget disaster films (Towering Inferno, Poseidon Adventure, to a lesser degree the Airport films), which tried to capture this "negative" vibe, but with the grandeur of the old school Hollywood films (I guess to capitalize on nostalgia).

By the end of the 1970s, of course we endured the disco era (an artificial, cocaine fueled "optimism" to counter the real world doldrums the country/nation was feeling), but even the comedies were kind of "downers" (e.g. Annie Hall), much less post-Vietnam films that were coming out, Coming Home, The Deer Hunter, etc.

So, I think the high fantasy (your term) trend in the 1980s, and I might suggest that Back to the Future might fit, overall, although not precisely, as well as the other science fiction comedies (notably Ghostbusters), as a more positive, upbeat reversal of many of the 1970s films which were mostly downers (IMHO.) (And, more to the point, that was easier to accomplish by picking a detached time in the past, particularly the remote past - or at least the story is grounded in the remote past.)

As usual, I'm probably all wrong about this.

This post was edited on 11/16/16 at 5:14 pm
Posted by mizzoukills
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 6:05 pm to


Fwiw, Ace, I actually read your novel of a post.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 6:10 pm to
It wasn't much longer than your OP, motherfricker.
Posted by tigermeat
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 6:32 pm to



Really good movie. Kelly Preston was so hot that my penis still aches 30 years later.
Posted by mizzoukills
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Posted on 11/16/16 at 6:55 pm to
Kelly Preston will forever be super hot. Her hotness is incredibly underrated.
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