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Spectre question (SPOILERS****)

Posted on 6/11/17 at 7:36 pm
Posted by Make It Rayne
Rayne
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Posted on 6/11/17 at 7:36 pm
In the drill scene where 007 is tied up and Blofield attempts to dismantle his vision and recognize others, how does James act like nothing happened once he he gets drilled in multiple areas?

I've read theories that 007 died on the table and the rest of the movie is thoughts of his dying imagination. Thoughts?
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 6/11/17 at 7:38 pm to
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how does James act like nothing happened once he he gets drilled in multiple areas?


It's a movie...
Posted by Make It Rayne
Rayne
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Posted on 6/11/17 at 7:41 pm to
Did the machine just miss the areas he was intending to hit?
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108098 posts
Posted on 6/11/17 at 7:50 pm to
That's the least of the problems with this movie. How is Blofield attached to Le Chiffre and Silva? Le Chiffre was an independent arms dealer who was in deep shite and it's merely a coincidence Bond was involved in it. How did Blofield orchestrate an arms dealer being in massive debt to him and James Bond being assigned to it?

With Silva, he was a mad dog who only needed a slight security team that would go with him on his crusade to destroy and kill M. Le Chiffre being an underling due to the business, sure, but Silva? It makes no fricking sense on why they would be alligned. Blofield would have had him killed the second he blew up MI6's headquarters since it's incredibly counterproductive to what he was doing. Silva was doing something of high visibility and attention for very selfish reasons, something Blofield would not have wanted. Plus it's implied that Silva was the previous 007 and had great sympathy for James, knowing he was being used in the same way he was. Bond was merely an inconvenience for Silva, not the overall goal.

It makes no fricking sense on why these two would be alligned. It's like Lex Luthor and Darkseid teaming up.
This post was edited on 6/11/17 at 7:54 pm
Posted by Warfarer
Dothan, AL
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 6/11/17 at 8:12 pm to
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Plus it's implied that Silva was the previous 007 and had great sympathy for James, knowing he was being used in the same way he was. Bond was merely an inconvenience for Silva, not the overall goal.


Not sure what you mean by this, Silva was an MI6 agent and most likely had a 00 which just means they have a license to kill at their whim but not necessarily a previous 007.

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In the drill scene where 007 is tied up and Blofield attempts to dismantle his vision and recognize others, how does James act like nothing happened once he he gets drilled in multiple areas?

I've read theories that 007 died on the table and the rest of the movie is thoughts of his dying imagination. Thoughts?


Interesting theory but I don't see it, especially with them bringing Craig back supposedly.

I thought I remembered him being hindered when they were trying to escape. I just took it as he was so much better than the unnamed henchmen that he could be crippled and still be better.
This post was edited on 6/11/17 at 8:16 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108098 posts
Posted on 6/11/17 at 8:18 pm to
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Not sure what you mean by this, Silva was an MI6 agent and most likely had a 00 which just means they have a license to kill at their whim but not necessarily a previous 007.


...It's implied he is James direct predecessor. Just the way he talks about her and him, I think it makes it as clear as possible without directly spelling it out.
Posted by Warfarer
Dothan, AL
Member since May 2010
12123 posts
Posted on 6/11/17 at 8:22 pm to
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...It's implied he is James direct predecessor. Just the way he talks about her and him, I think it makes it as clear as possible without directly spelling it out.



yeah but as another MI6 agent, another 00 agent. at this time in the program we aren't aware of previous 007s.

I'm not sure why they refuse to hand the movie mantle off off to another agent rather than keeping the name Bond as 007. Hand it off to someone like Idris Elba that everyone wants and just dub him 008 or another 00 agent.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
36403 posts
Posted on 6/11/17 at 8:29 pm to
the movie is steaming garbage and has really put the franchise in a bad spot. The only conceivable route for the franchise is to act like it was never made and go in a traditional direction like the Brosnan movies. They've pushed it in an untenable direction.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
64954 posts
Posted on 6/11/17 at 8:51 pm to
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Le Chiffre was an independent arms dealer who was in deep shite and it's merely a coincidence Bond was involved in it.


Le Chiffre was loosely working for Quantum, a subset of SPECTRE. We know this because Mr. White, a member of both organizations, introduced those African guerrilla fighters to Le Chiffre.

Where SPECTRE falls apart is poor writing. Instead of making Blofeld a relation of Bond's, and instead of having the events of the first three films becoming one massive revenge conspiracy against Bond, they should have made SPECTRE about Blofeld getting revenge on Bond for stifling his plans in the first two movies.

Silva should not have been connected with SPECTRE or Blofeld at all. I also feel as though Madeline should have died at the end and that Blofeld should have successfully gotten away. That way we finally have an arch-nemesis for Bond.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108098 posts
Posted on 6/11/17 at 9:00 pm to
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Le Chiffre was loosely working for Quantum, a subset of SPECTRE. We know this because Mr. White, a member of both organizations, introduced those African guerrilla fighters to Le Chiffre.


My point is that Blofield said this was orchestrated. Le Chiffre was simply a guy indebted to them. Blofield couldn't have planned for this.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
64954 posts
Posted on 6/11/17 at 9:06 pm to
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Blofield couldn't have planned for this.


Agreed. It was sloppy writing. I don't even think Le Chiffre knew that Vesper was working for Quantum.
Posted by johnnydrama
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Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 6/11/17 at 9:50 pm to
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Hand it off to someone like Idris Elba that everyone wants
Enough with this idiocy. The Asian market buys a jillion tickets and hates black people.
A black Bond would be franchise suicide.
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