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Specific Reasons Why Superhero Movies Ruined Comic Books
Posted on 5/19/16 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 5/19/16 at 12:43 pm
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Posted on 5/19/16 at 12:49 pm to Roaad
This goes back to the radio days, with Kryptonite and Jimmy Olsen being created as devices to tell stories on that medium and then leaking onto the comics.
My biggest gripe is still the Donner Superman and the desecration of Krypton and replacing Pa and Ma Kent with Jor-el as the key inspiration for Superman.
My biggest gripe is still the Donner Superman and the desecration of Krypton and replacing Pa and Ma Kent with Jor-el as the key inspiration for Superman.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 12:50 pm to Roaad
Posted on 5/19/16 at 1:06 pm to Roaad
The success of the films have ruined comics for many continuity obsessed, long term fans of Marvel/DC like me, but that doesn't mean they've ruined the medium.
The independent distributors that survived the 90/00's have benefited the most from the comic film explosion, with the mass exodus of so many creators looking to own rights to their ideas and its definitely hurt the big two and caused them to scramble to figure out how to make as much as they used to(they won't).
You have DC running in circles, rebooting their line then wiping out continuity almost completely to grab the younger generation, only to quickly realize they should've stuck to what they've always done best which is embrace their characters long histories.
Marvel has been damaged the most via tabling(FF) or wholly ignoring historically successful franchises of the past(Xmen) while at the same time, has made some of the boldest moves within the continuity of their universe.
It is very interesting to watch the entire situation evolve and I don't think its close to over yet.
The independent distributors that survived the 90/00's have benefited the most from the comic film explosion, with the mass exodus of so many creators looking to own rights to their ideas and its definitely hurt the big two and caused them to scramble to figure out how to make as much as they used to(they won't).
You have DC running in circles, rebooting their line then wiping out continuity almost completely to grab the younger generation, only to quickly realize they should've stuck to what they've always done best which is embrace their characters long histories.
Marvel has been damaged the most via tabling(FF) or wholly ignoring historically successful franchises of the past(Xmen) while at the same time, has made some of the boldest moves within the continuity of their universe.
It is very interesting to watch the entire situation evolve and I don't think its close to over yet.
Posted on 5/19/16 at 1:17 pm to BilJ
Wow 
Posted on 5/19/16 at 1:46 pm to Murray
Honestly, slowing the growth of the X-universe is the best thing that's happened to the X-Men in forever. the proliferation of mutant titles was absurd, and it destroyed continuity, character, and basic storytelling. A smaller universe for the X-Men is outstanding (and I am as big of Claremont fanboy as you'll find, but his run of greatness was from roughly 1975-1991... if they need Claremont still, that says more about the writing talent than the movies).
Yes, shuttering the Fantastic Four was sad but no one bought that book for ages, and it closed with a brilliant run by Waid and the Secret Wars miniseries by Hickman being a FF story. They went out with a bang.
And I'm not sure about the article's final point: movies are terrible for comics, but the real tragedy is that DC isn't turning its Vertigo line into movies. I mean, that's a fundamental disconnect in the argument. If movies are so bad for the form, then no movies is a good thing.
And I'd argue that comics right now are experiencing a Golden Age of quality and critical respect... just not DC and Marvel. The Eisner Awards (the comic book Oscars) are now resolutely ignoring the Big Two. Only the Silver Surfer and Ms. Marvel got nominations in any category. Boom!, Dark Horse, Valiant, and Image are dominating the awards, as they are dominating the medium right now. EVERYTHING interesting in comics right now are happening at the indies (save maybe Ms. Marvel). Any self-respecting list of the best titles of the past 10 years would be dominated by Image.
The movies have been great for comics. It's given people an in on an intimidating hobby. But fans are being steered away from the Big Two and into more interesting fare. The Big Two are still getting rich, and they give a place for writers/artists to hone their craft before setting off on their own at smaller companies where they will own the rights to their characters. Which is also why no one is making a movie of Y The Last Man, despite its near universal acclaim: you gotta pay both Image and Brian Vaughan and Pia Guerra. Iron Man, you just pay Marvel and do what you want.
Yes, shuttering the Fantastic Four was sad but no one bought that book for ages, and it closed with a brilliant run by Waid and the Secret Wars miniseries by Hickman being a FF story. They went out with a bang.
And I'm not sure about the article's final point: movies are terrible for comics, but the real tragedy is that DC isn't turning its Vertigo line into movies. I mean, that's a fundamental disconnect in the argument. If movies are so bad for the form, then no movies is a good thing.
And I'd argue that comics right now are experiencing a Golden Age of quality and critical respect... just not DC and Marvel. The Eisner Awards (the comic book Oscars) are now resolutely ignoring the Big Two. Only the Silver Surfer and Ms. Marvel got nominations in any category. Boom!, Dark Horse, Valiant, and Image are dominating the awards, as they are dominating the medium right now. EVERYTHING interesting in comics right now are happening at the indies (save maybe Ms. Marvel). Any self-respecting list of the best titles of the past 10 years would be dominated by Image.
The movies have been great for comics. It's given people an in on an intimidating hobby. But fans are being steered away from the Big Two and into more interesting fare. The Big Two are still getting rich, and they give a place for writers/artists to hone their craft before setting off on their own at smaller companies where they will own the rights to their characters. Which is also why no one is making a movie of Y The Last Man, despite its near universal acclaim: you gotta pay both Image and Brian Vaughan and Pia Guerra. Iron Man, you just pay Marvel and do what you want.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 12:03 pm to Roaad
That was a pretty piss poor article. It kinda read like somebody looking desperately for stuff to write about.
But ... (gets on old man "back when I was your age" soapbox):
To me the thing that really ruined comics was when they pulled them out of the drug stores, department stores and super markets. That way when something like a cartoon or tv show or movie brought interest to them young kids would pick them up while out shopping with their mom - or just go down to the neighborhood drug store. ]
Plus those spin racks were just cool.
When they ended up being available mostly at specialty comic book stores and these dwindled down in numbers their access to their market suffered I think.
But ... (gets on old man "back when I was your age" soapbox):
To me the thing that really ruined comics was when they pulled them out of the drug stores, department stores and super markets. That way when something like a cartoon or tv show or movie brought interest to them young kids would pick them up while out shopping with their mom - or just go down to the neighborhood drug store. ]
Plus those spin racks were just cool.
When they ended up being available mostly at specialty comic book stores and these dwindled down in numbers their access to their market suffered I think.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 12:10 pm to Roaad
that was a really poorly written article. one of their examples is the movies bleeding into the comics and making it worse. morrison's run on x-men was awesome.
click bait.
click bait.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 12:14 pm to BlacknGold
I'm taking that you guys don't frequent the Cracked site.
It's not the New York Times. They put together semi-sarcastic lists, it's their thing.
It's not the New York Times. They put together semi-sarcastic lists, it's their thing.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 12:28 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:
I'm taking that you guys don't frequent the Cracked site. It's not the New York Times. They put together semi-sarcastic lists, it's their thing.
Ok. I take it back. It's just really bad satire then.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 12:53 pm to Fewer Kilometers
yeah its usually sarcastic but its usually really accurate as well.
eta: just cause a guy reads comics means he cant start some shite!?
eta: just cause a guy reads comics means he cant start some shite!?
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