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So how did Stannis is keep his head after Blackwater?
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:08 am
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:08 am
He lost big. Never really had a big army after he lost that one til he got mercs. How did he live and why didn't the Lannisters pursue him to the end?
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Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:15 am to prplhze2000
The Lannisters had no fleet before Blackwater. Stannis knew he'd be safe there in a worst case scenario and it gave him time to plan and rebuild. Until they had the Redwyne fleet, there was no way an assault/siege of Dragonstone could be remotely possible.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:20 am to crispyUGA
He never really rebuilt.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:26 am to prplhze2000
Joffrey broke Stannis while Jamie was busy getting captured.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 7:38 am to prplhze2000
Not until he received the backing of the Iron Bank due to the incompetence and arrogance of Cersei. However, Dragonstone would have still been a bitch to attack and Stannis was down to about 1,000 soldiers... he probably wasn't viewed as much of a threat and until he was able to slip into the North to try and rally the northern houses and purchase sellswords with a now limitless supply of money.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 8:13 am to PhiTiger1764
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Tyrion broke Stannis while Jamie was busy getting captured.
FFY
Posted on 6/30/17 at 9:01 am to Mr. Wayne
Issa joke
Posted on 6/30/17 at 9:49 am to prplhze2000
If the Redwyne fleet shows up sooner and Tyrion doesn't kill Tywin (who it is likely was already dieing a slow death to poison from Oberyn Martell) the entire war is over within a month or two. The Lannisters had everyone on their heels and the luxury of choosing who to dispose of when. Stannis was no real threat on Dragonstone just like Greyjoy. It made more sense for the Lannisters to regroup and reorder the war-torn interior rather than hare off immediately after distant, small threats.
This post was edited on 6/30/17 at 10:04 am
Posted on 6/30/17 at 10:51 am to Mr. Wayne
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FFY
Nah. I was referencing the scene in S4E1 where Joffrey claims he broke Stannis while Jamie was busy getting captured. He then mocks Jamie's lack of accomplishments.
Obviously, Joffrey didn't do much of anything.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 11:21 am to prplhze2000
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He lost big. Never really had a big army after he lost that one til he got mercs. How did he live and why didn't the Lannisters pursue him to the end?
Two reasons make the most sense. First, Stannis did lose big and wasn't considered a threat any longer. Joffery thought he had won the war with Stannis as he tells Jaime in season four before Jaime advises him that as long as Stannis lives the war is not over. The second reason, and more important one, was the fact they were still trying to deal with Robb's army who had not yet lost a battle and it wouldn't have made sense to weaken King's Landing's defenses by sending a large portion of the Lannister army to Dragon Stone.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 11:33 am to prplhze2000
Spoilers?
Posted on 6/30/17 at 11:48 am to Decisions
I do enjoy the theory that Oberyn was slowly killing tywin via poison that make him permanently constipated.
hell, its probably canon
hell, its probably canon
Posted on 6/30/17 at 12:10 pm to jefforize
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I do enjoy the theory that Oberyn was slowly killing tywin via poison that make him permanently constipated. hell, its probably canon
Pretty sure it isn't cannon. But it is a good theory.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 12:22 pm to Methuselah
It's one of the most solid theories IMO.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 12:38 pm to Decisions
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who it is likely was already dieing a slow death to poison from Oberyn Martell
I definitely wouldn't say it's likely.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 1:43 pm to Methuselah
Actually in the books, the mountain dies of poison from his blade in the fight.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 2:01 pm to jefforize
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I do enjoy the theory that Oberyn was slowly killing tywin via poison that make him permanently constipated.
I see it being possible, but I'm just not sure what it adds. Tyrion was going to kill Tywin anyway.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 2:38 pm to prplhze2000
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How did he live
***** Spoiler *****
After the Blackwater he doesn't come into contact with Big Butch The Destroyer until much later. He failed to keep his head on a swivel and Mr. Beatin Hoes Ramsey Snow/Bolton took him unawares. Big Butch finished Stannis tha Mannis with one whack of her magical blade.
This post was edited on 6/30/17 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 6/30/17 at 3:09 pm to OMLandshark
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I'm just not sure what it adds.
It adds a more realistic level of depth to the characters and relationships. Tywin had many enemies actively trying to end him using whatever means they preferred. Oberyn had multiple scores he wanted to settle.
It would seem a little simplistic to assume each score and enemy would be settled one at a time, when in real life bad timing can have multiple people pile on someone at once. Look at Robb if you want another example of this happening. He had the Lannisters on the ropes when the Ironborn decided to open a new front in the North and Frey swapped sides to lie in wait for his inevitable return through the Twins. Multiple enemies with multiple motives all crashing down at once.
And why shouldn't Oberyn be able to multitask killing multiple people at once? He seemed pretty talented.
Posted on 6/30/17 at 3:11 pm to Decisions
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It adds a more realistic level of depth to the characters and relationships. Tywin had many enemies actively trying to end him using whatever means they preferred. Oberyn had multiple scores he wanted to settle.
It would seem a little simplistic to assume each score and enemy would be settled one at a time, when in real life bad timing can have multiple people pile on someone at once. Look at Robb if you want another example of this happening. He had the Lannisters on the ropes when the Ironborn decided to open a new front in the North and Frey swapped sides to lie in wait for his inevitable return through the Twins. Multiple enemies with multiple motives all crashing down at once.
Well we already knew all this without the poisoning.
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