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re: Shogun - Official Series Discussion Thread **Spoilers**

Posted on 4/26/24 at 8:31 pm to
Posted by Boodis Man
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 4/26/24 at 8:31 pm to
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Letters from Iwo Jima is fantastic and the closest you’ll get.



I’ve watched that already and it’s gangster as hell. One of the most underrated movies in the modern era
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 4/27/24 at 11:55 am to
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It should win everything.


Serious question: Does it check off all of the DEI requirements?
Posted by Esquire
Chiraq
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Posted on 4/27/24 at 12:03 pm to
How is that a serious question?
This post was edited on 4/27/24 at 12:04 pm
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
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Posted on 4/27/24 at 12:19 pm to
Because awards are now coming with requirements
Posted by UnSmitty_Bop
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 4:29 pm to
but thankfully, the wind.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 4:50 pm to
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Serious question: Does it check off all of the DEI requirements?


By my count, everybody except one person is a minority. I'm pretty sure they hit their numbers.
Posted by Zzyzx
Member since Nov 2018
1884 posts
Posted on 5/2/24 at 6:04 pm to
Sadly Asians don’t count.

Since a vast majority of them are successful, they don’t fit the narrative.

Only blacks and gays/alphabet people count toward diversity.

There were already liberal articles about “where are the black samurai?”. They don’t care for this show, although I don’t know that FX is beholden to any quotas like Amazon etc.
Posted by rebelrouser
Columbia, SC
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:34 am to
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Serious question: Does it check off all of the DEI requirements?


By my count, everybody except one person is a minority. I'm pretty sure they hit their numbers.


I suppose you are talking about Blackthorne but what about the Dutch sailors and the Portugese? Are they minorities now? Also, it takes place in Japan so the English, Dutch and Portugese are the minorities as depicted. You are going by snowflake American standards so they needed some black folks and lgbtq.
Posted by Esquire
Chiraq
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:14 am to
It’s amazing how often the ones triggered by the DEI requirements have no idea how the requirements actually work.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 5/3/24 at 11:04 am to
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Serious question: Does it check off all of the DEI requirements?


As I recall, I believe that period pieces are subject to more relaxed rules relative to "on screen" talent.

I do recall a number of episodes were directed by women.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 5/3/24 at 3:50 pm to
I picked up the book after watching the series. Only about a third of the way through as it's a massive book. The book is, uh, explicit in some areas I think I like Book Blackthorne more than Show Blackthorne. He's much smarter in the book. Maybe that's just because we get internal monologue in the book.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
11186 posts
Posted on 5/3/24 at 4:15 pm to
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I like Book Blackthorne more than Show Blackthorne. He's much smarter in the book.

Show Blackthorne is an idiot. Toranaga himself says he only keeps him around because he amuses him.

Book Blackthorne was a worthy foil for Toranaga. Book Toranaga keeps him around because Blackthorne was a leverage point against the western powers and could help him in the future build a navy.

Posted by Maytheporkbewithyou
Member since Aug 2016
12630 posts
Posted on 5/3/24 at 5:13 pm to
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I picked up the book


I picked up part 1 and 2 and read them over a 3 week period. I finished part 2 right before the finale.

Enjoyed both, but the book was definitely better.
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