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Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:26 pm
Great movie in so many respects. Still really the only quality card playing movie and almost single handedly started the Poker craze. Excellent writing, memorable, quotable characters, and Landau and Norton should've gotten Oscar nominations.
Also one of the great seedy underworld New York movies. Really captured late 90s vibe too.
Also one of the great seedy underworld New York movies. Really captured late 90s vibe too.
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Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:29 pm to Jack Ruby
"In the game of life women are the fricking rake"
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:33 pm to Jack Ruby
Damon's GF in the movie annoyed me
Really enjoyed Landau
Really enjoyed Landau
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:33 pm to Jack Ruby
I rank the policemen's poker game up there with the curb stomping scene in American History X or in Swingers when Mike just keeps leaving messages.
Great flick.
Great flick.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 9:58 pm to Jack Ruby
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single handedly started the Poker craze.
I think this guy's improbable 2003 WSOP win did it:
Chris Moneymaker
OH, and her too
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This post was edited on 3/10/16 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 3/10/16 at 10:02 pm to LuckySo-n-So
I'll give ya Moneymaker nationally, but I bought Doyle Brunson's book after watching Rounders.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 10:37 pm to Jack Ruby
At the time it was a good movie. Looking back, I think it's OK. Here's my issue with the movie but I will get accused of being too "technical" of this.
1. In the opening scene, Mike buys in 30K in the big game. However, the players have to deal the cards? Come on. Any legit card room will have their own dealers.
2. The hand were Mike goes bust vs KGB. Mike goes "I don't think you have the spades, I'm all in". Pretty bad line to use for a gifted poker player. If you think KGB is bluffing, you just call. You wouldn't go all-in unless you have nuts.
3. Mike owes KGB 15k and he has till morning to pay up. Mike has 10k with him. KGB knows this. However, Mike ask for a heads up match. Why would Teddy play him? Ego? It doesn't make sense because if KBG waits till morning, he gets mike's 10k regardless. Why even play?
4. The part where Mike tells Knish that he beat Johnny Chan. Where he and chan was playing high limit. They kept raising and reraising before the flop. No decent player would fold one more bet and not see a flop. And chan suppose to be a poker god in the movie.
5. Movie portrays Chan as a poker god and Eric Seidel is a loser. Eric Seidel is a great player and still scoring big tournaments.
Knish and Professor was the real hero of the movie. Great performances by Landau and Ed Norton.
1. In the opening scene, Mike buys in 30K in the big game. However, the players have to deal the cards? Come on. Any legit card room will have their own dealers.
2. The hand were Mike goes bust vs KGB. Mike goes "I don't think you have the spades, I'm all in". Pretty bad line to use for a gifted poker player. If you think KGB is bluffing, you just call. You wouldn't go all-in unless you have nuts.
3. Mike owes KGB 15k and he has till morning to pay up. Mike has 10k with him. KGB knows this. However, Mike ask for a heads up match. Why would Teddy play him? Ego? It doesn't make sense because if KBG waits till morning, he gets mike's 10k regardless. Why even play?
4. The part where Mike tells Knish that he beat Johnny Chan. Where he and chan was playing high limit. They kept raising and reraising before the flop. No decent player would fold one more bet and not see a flop. And chan suppose to be a poker god in the movie.
5. Movie portrays Chan as a poker god and Eric Seidel is a loser. Eric Seidel is a great player and still scoring big tournaments.
Knish and Professor was the real hero of the movie. Great performances by Landau and Ed Norton.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 10:52 pm to PeteRose
It's an entertaining but painful flick.
Norton's character is so insufferable and such a cancer...that you know from mile 1, there's no good outcome with this relationship...Norton did a great job but I wish his character had been written more nuanced...that you had an inkling he was all messed up and just that...not a complete carpet bomb...
...I wish that the story had that tension. I know they play up that he went to prison and Damon thinks he's different now but that evaporated after two minutes...and then you have a schlub chasing an addict...I just sort of wish that realization was hard fought and occurred later in the film...at least for the audience...because we all know Norton's character is going to drag his butt down faster than quick sand and that sort of ruins the drama.
In essence, the movie could have worked better if it's leads were written more nuanced and the conflict and impending disaster wasn't so obvious right off the bat.
But that's not just a problem with this movie, it's a problem with all bad seed friendship movies. We've seen it many times before Rounders...I just wish they'd taken a different spin on it and made Norton's character more complicated than obvious foil.
Norton's character is so insufferable and such a cancer...that you know from mile 1, there's no good outcome with this relationship...Norton did a great job but I wish his character had been written more nuanced...that you had an inkling he was all messed up and just that...not a complete carpet bomb...
...I wish that the story had that tension. I know they play up that he went to prison and Damon thinks he's different now but that evaporated after two minutes...and then you have a schlub chasing an addict...I just sort of wish that realization was hard fought and occurred later in the film...at least for the audience...because we all know Norton's character is going to drag his butt down faster than quick sand and that sort of ruins the drama.
In essence, the movie could have worked better if it's leads were written more nuanced and the conflict and impending disaster wasn't so obvious right off the bat.
But that's not just a problem with this movie, it's a problem with all bad seed friendship movies. We've seen it many times before Rounders...I just wish they'd taken a different spin on it and made Norton's character more complicated than obvious foil.
This post was edited on 3/10/16 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 3/10/16 at 10:54 pm to Jack Ruby
Random - I'm downloading a fresh copy of this right now. My current copy is old, audio is kinda rough.
Anyway, great movie.
Anyway, great movie.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 10:56 pm to Jack Ruby
One of my favorite movies to play the What If game. Get Damon through law school without being derailed by his loser friend. The other is can Lewelyn get away with the money in NCFOM.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 11:06 pm to Jim Rockford
Lewelyn was never going to get away no matter how slick or cunning he was. Chigurh was pure evil, almost a supernatural character. Like the Terminator he would never stop until the money is retrieved and all are dead. You could start a whole thread on this.
Mike was also never going to be a Lawyer, Landau's story about being a Rabbi sealed it for Damon, he knew deep down he was a poker player and it's the only thing that really ignited him.
Mike was also never going to be a Lawyer, Landau's story about being a Rabbi sealed it for Damon, he knew deep down he was a poker player and it's the only thing that really ignited him.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 11:11 pm to Jack Ruby
You're both wrong. Scotty Ngyuen vs Kevin McBride was the one that put wsop on the map.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 11:15 pm to Paul Allen
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Scotty Ngyuen vs Kevin McBride was the one that put wsop on the map.
yeah. Some asian with mullet made poker popular.
Posted on 3/10/16 at 11:24 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Very well stated regarding the bad friend dynamic we constantly see in movies. Often the friend is so obviously toxic, you wonder how or why they are friends at all.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 12:02 am to biglego
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, you wonder how or why they are friends at all.
Exactly.
I know Damon is supposed to be reformed and you do have that dynamic of trying to be loyal to an old friend...but it sort of rings false and would have rung more true if Norton's character was reformed but showed his true colors later...Damon sort of jumps back right in without much hesitation despite all he has going for him and accepts once again all he turned his back on...if Norton's character had a brief period where he was trying to lead a normal life...instead of just scamming two minutes out of prison...it would have been a more interesting dilemma and dynamic between the two.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 12:33 am to PeteRose
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2. The hand were Mike goes bust vs KGB. Mike goes "I don't think you have the spades, I'm all in". Pretty bad line to use for a gifted poker player. If you think KGB is bluffing, you just call. You wouldn't go all-in unless you have nuts.
Mike has a full house. He thinks he has the winning hand and wants KBG to call if he has spades. Still a bad line all the same, but Mike was never considering he was beat, and thats why he went all in.
The thing that annoys me is Mike says he should of seen the Aces coming, which is complete bullshite. No matter how gifted you are, those chips are going into the middle and you live with the outcome. Its just an epic cooler that rarely ever happens at a full table, much less heads up.
This post was edited on 3/11/16 at 12:37 am
Posted on 3/11/16 at 12:45 am to OnCampusTiger
Agreed. It's just some of the lines are not in touch with common sense.
"If I'm that game, the cards don't even matter" Mike taking to professor about the judges game. If the cards don't matter, then why did you get busted?
"If I'm that game, the cards don't even matter" Mike taking to professor about the judges game. If the cards don't matter, then why did you get busted?
Posted on 3/11/16 at 6:05 am to Paul Allen
You're both wrong. Scotty Ngyuen vs Kevin McBride was the one that put wsop on the map.
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Absolutely wrong on this.
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Absolutely wrong on this.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 6:43 am to PeteRose
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3. Mike owes KGB 15k and he has till morning to pay up. Mike has 10k with him. KGB knows this. However, Mike ask for a heads up match. Why would Teddy play him? Ego? It doesn't make sense because if KBG waits till morning, he gets mike's 10k regardless. Why even play?
Because if Teddy wins and takes mikes money, Mike STILL owes him $15k come morning. Mike was using the $10k to try and win some of KGBs money to pay him. Teddy knows this and sees an opportunity to take the $10k, and have the juice still running on the $15k Mike already owes him.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 7:38 am to PeteRose
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"If I'm that game, the cards don't even matter" Mike taking to professor about the judges game. If the cards don't matter, then why did you get busted?
He was saying that in a game with a bunch of fish like the judges, the cards don't matter. Not against a player like KGB.
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