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Rewatched The Pacific...
Posted on 7/28/23 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 7/28/23 at 3:07 pm
I forgot how good of a series that was...damn what those guys went through -
I ordered With the Old Breed by Sledge and when I finish I will get the Helmet For My Pillow next.
I ordered With the Old Breed by Sledge and when I finish I will get the Helmet For My Pillow next.
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Posted on 7/28/23 at 3:39 pm to Guzzlingil
I am of the unpopular opinion that its a better series than Band of Brothers. I think its because I saw The Pacific first and there it was my basis for comparison.
Posted on 7/28/23 at 3:42 pm to Guzzlingil
I read Old Breed before the series, amazingly, the show was tame compared to what Sledge and those boys really went through. But it does do an amazing job of Sledge losing his humanity and gaining it back.
The whole series could’ve been the literal hell of Peleliu.
I always tear up when he’s having nightmares and his dad is outside the door listening.
I read RV Burgin’s book too, Islands of the Damned, but it wasn’t as good as Sledge’s. With the Old Breed just might be the best war memoir ever written.
The whole series could’ve been the literal hell of Peleliu.
I always tear up when he’s having nightmares and his dad is outside the door listening.
I read RV Burgin’s book too, Islands of the Damned, but it wasn’t as good as Sledge’s. With the Old Breed just might be the best war memoir ever written.
Posted on 7/28/23 at 3:49 pm to Guzzlingil
I was thinking of watching this and BoB the other day.
gotten into WWII lately post-Oppenheimer and a buddy getting me into the Real Dictators podcast
gotten into WWII lately post-Oppenheimer and a buddy getting me into the Real Dictators podcast
Posted on 7/28/23 at 4:36 pm to Guzzlingil
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I ordered With the Old Breed by Sledge and when I finish I will get the Helmet For My Pillow next
Both great reads I’ve read multiple times. I regular listen to The Pacific musical score by Hans Zimmer with “Homecoming” being my favorite.
My biggest gripe with the series was that I wasn’t invested at all with the Basilone story. I wanted more Sid and Eugene. Once you read WTOB, you’ll find out that they could’ve added more to the Sledgehammer story.
Posted on 7/28/23 at 4:52 pm to Guzzlingil
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I ordered With the Old Breed by Sledge
I did the same thing after the show first finished. Knocked it out pretty quick, was a very interesting read. Enjoy.
Posted on 7/28/23 at 5:19 pm to Guzzlingil
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I ordered With the Old Breed by Sledge and when I finish I will get the Helmet For My Pillow next.
Also get Islands of the Damned by RV Burgin (he's Sledge's NCO on The Pacific).
Posted on 7/28/23 at 5:21 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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I am of the unpopular opinion that its a better series than Band of Brothers
I would disagree but easily see how someone could like The Pacific better. It's an incredible story as well and those dudes went through absolute living hell.
Posted on 7/28/23 at 5:24 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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I am of the unpopular opinion that its a better series than Band of Brothers. I think its because I saw The Pacific first and there it was my basis for comparison.
I think jumping around between units (especially the Basilone parts) instead of sticking with one unit hurt the show.
Another thing that helped BOB besides being first is it started airing 2 days before 9/11.
Posted on 7/28/23 at 5:28 pm to Guzzlingil
I personally think it’s better than Band of Brothers. Much more raw and impactful.
Posted on 7/28/23 at 5:40 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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I am of the unpopular opinion that its a better series than Band of Brothers.
Me too.
Found it more visceral.
Came away thinking soldiers who escaped fighting in the Pacific got the lesser of two evils.
Posted on 7/28/23 at 5:54 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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I am of the unpopular opinion that its a better series than Band of Brothers. I think its because I saw The Pacific first and there it was my basis for comparison.
I agree with you, but a large portion of the population just gets drawn to the European theatre instead of tiny atolls thousands of miles away in the vast Pacific.
I always thought Malarkey and Buck were a great representation of how war beat you down contrasting them from the beginning with what happened in episodes 6-8. But man Pacific showed it in such a more visceral way of the guys humanity being lost.
Snafu tossing rocks into that Japs emptied out brain always sticks out. You didn’t have widespread occurrences of GI’s knifing out German gold teeth like you did in the Pacific theater. I don’t even know if the Weirmacht troops wore gold teeth but still. skulls of Japs being brought back to the family, all sorts of body souvenirs, hell didn’t a Jap skull make it on the front page of the Times?
Our men turned into animals, they had to in order to beat the Japs.
Just an incredible series, I find myself watching it more frequently than BoB. But I will admit the Basilone storyline is the weakest.
Posted on 7/28/23 at 6:19 pm to Frac the world
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Frac the world
You touch on something rarely talked about...along with Japanese atrocities.
Photo published in the May 22, 1944 issue of LIFE magazine, with the following caption: “When he said goodby two years ago to Natalie Nickerson, 20, a war worker of Phoenix, Arizona, a big, handsome Navy lieutenant promised her a Jap. Last week, Natalie received a human skull, autographed by her lieutenant and 13 friends and inscribed: ‘This is a good Jap-a dead one picked up on the New Guinea beach.’ Natalie, surprised at the gift, named it Tojo. The armed forces disapprove strongly of this sort of thing.”
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After Pearl Harbor, Americans took trophy skulls as they viewed the Japanese as inherently evil and less than human.
Years after the end of World War II, the bodies of Japanese soldiers who had died in the Mariana Islands were repatriated to their homeland for proper burial.
More than half of the bodies returned home were returned without their heads.
The heads, it turned out, had been taken by the American soldiers responsible for the deaths, and kept as gruesome war trophies.
Band of Brothers can strangely come across as a civilized war ONLY by contrast to the barbarism, jungle heat, chaos and the Japanese Bushido ethos to never surrender and never take prisoners.
The Pacific does a better job of showing that "war is hell" compared to band of Brothers. Its such a powerful series.
Posted on 7/28/23 at 6:24 pm to Frac the world
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But I will admit the Basilone storyline is the weakest.
Which is a shame. Basilone was a stud.
Posted on 7/28/23 at 7:33 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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You touch on something rarely talked about...along with Japanese atrocities.
I don’t want to get into some historical OT discussion, but imagine walking up on your best friend who was killed on patrol and had his penis cut off and stuffed in his mouth. They showed that in one of the Guadalcanal episodes but that shite happened all the time on those islands.
You’d be fricking enraged and want to get even, those GI’s saw some crazy shite. Japs pretending to surrender only to detonate a grenade and kill some boys. I can’t judge that they’d collect heads and gold teeth.
I’ve never come across that in my readings of the European theatre. It was animalistic warfare. The Pacific captured it as well as an R rating show can.
Posted on 7/28/23 at 8:39 pm to Frac the world
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I’ve never come across that in my readings of the European theatre. It was animalistic warfare
In Indy Nidell’s WW2 in real time DDay 24 hour special, he talked about some US airborne soldiers coming upon dead buddies hanging in the trees because their parachutes got caught. The soldiers interrogated some Germans and found out the Germans killed them brutally.
Take it with a grain of salt because I couldn’t find anything to support it. Nothing as widespread as the Japs crimes though.
Posted on 7/28/23 at 9:05 pm to sledgehammer
quote:There was a lot more The Pacific could have shown us as you say. But GY SGT Basilone deserves everything they showed about him. In fairness, his story ends sooner and he was unable to write and publish his whole story after the war.
My biggest gripe with the series was that I wasn’t invested at all with the Basilone story.
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Posted on 7/28/23 at 9:20 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
Where is Basilone’s grave?
Posted on 7/28/23 at 9:21 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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I am of the unpopular opinion that its a better series than Band of Brothers. I think its because I saw The Pacific first and there it was my basis for comparison.
I like it. But I think it suffers in comparison to Band of Brothers. Captain Winters provides a nice center. The cast of BoB was vast and diverse. The Pacific just doesn't provide the same emotional punch.
This post was edited on 7/28/23 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 7/28/23 at 9:24 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
By no means am I downplaying what he did. He’s an American hero and fought courageously. I’m saying his little bit in The Pacific didn’t do his story justice. He needed a couple episodes all to himself like Sledge or better yet a movie.
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