Oscar Telecast . . . the next day

Yes. That thread last night was a shite show

I thought Rock did a great job. He had some misses but he had a lot more hits.

Leo's global warming speech must have the photographers and tabloids salivating for his next jaunt on a hydrocarbon spewing yacht full of honeys.

Exactly, but this board can't differentiate between real issues and Tubmlr nonsense

I think Chris Rock actually did a pretty good job at keeping the diversity issue before the audience that needed to hear it: the people in the room, as opposed to the people at home. The lack of black actors on the ballot was/is a Hollywood issue alone. As an average whitie, I appreciate that I didn't feel as though he and others were preaching to ME.

Hollywood's hypocrisy was evident last night. The Oscar crowd is the most liberal room in all of America, and they are, apparently, racist as frick. Mark Ruffalo was right, in his interview right before the Oscars started, saying that the message needed to be received by their fellow liberals. It's important that they are singled out, and I'm glad he did.

The other distinction that I wished they would have hammered home a little harder on this topic is that this shouldn't be about having a black person nominated in most or every category. This should be about providing access to quality roles for black people, so they can qualify for nomination. I don't think that distinction was made clear, and it should have been. Missed opportunity.

Lastly, I saw a lot of non-white people winning awards last night. Let's not make a "black" issue diluted by calling it a "diversity" issue. The awards looked pretty diverse to me, other than the acting categories (which I guess is the issue... also another thing not made completely clear). If this is about black people not being represented in the acting categories, say so. But if it's about ALL minorities being represented in the acting categories (i.e. diversity), then Chris Rock should be up there lobbying for Asians and Indians as well. Don't hide behind "diversity" if you're pushing a "black" issue. Say what you mean. I would respect you more for it.

Anyhow, I have spoken out many times against "meaningless" diversity in movies on this board. I want to see white people and minorities both get good roles on-screen and good jobs off-screen. Here's what I want to see:

"We have a character in the new Vietnam War movie that we're producing that we think could win someone an Oscar. He's incredible on the page. We just need to find the right guy to pull it off. We need someone with serious acting chops." So they put out a call, and actors of any race are considered. Race really doesn't matter.

Here's what I don't want to see:

"I want a black male lead in the next Star Wars standalone film. Get Idris Elba and that Akeema Ojafor guy, what ever the frick his name is, on the phone."

OR

"Our nominations are looking a little too white again this year. Let's kick out Vikander and put in a black supporting actress. Who did something good this year?"

I think the latter two scenarios are bullshite. Sadly, I think the latter two scenarios are what most would settle for. And that just sucks, for everyone. Except that Ojafor guy. Lucky black bastard.

it's a damn awards show. You probably put more thought into this "sleeping on it" than the people who were actually at the show.

After the show last night, I moved onto things that actually matter, not what a bunch of Hollywood liberals decide to champion for 3 hours to assuage their self-guilt.

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After the show last night, I moved onto things that actually matter, not what a bunch of Hollywood liberals decide to champion for 3 hours to assuage their self-guilt.

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Watching Hollywood simultaneously congratulate and then flog itself is worse than having root canal surgery. A bunch of spoiled, pampered children lecturing us on racism and “climate change.” They live in a bubble and everyday people are sick and tired of them.

You're far too sensitive, dude. Most everything I said in the thread last night was a troll just for people like you.

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The other distinction that I wished they would have hammered home a little harder on this topic is that this shouldn't be about having a black person nominated in most or every category. This should be about providing access to quality roles for black people,

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Actually, Rock did say this toward the end of his monologue. Maybe he should have emphasized it more.

I think one reality is that directors and casting directors think about casting a movie and, many times, they are visualizing the character as being white from the get go. Not really racist, but maybe they should think more broadly about the character itself.

Another issue is "bankability". What can that actor help bring in at the box office?

Finally, I think that there may very well be some black cinematographers, set designers, sound engineers, etc., trying to catch a break. So the various guilds/unions should take a look at themselves as well.

Chris Rock:

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Now the thing is, Why are we protesting? The big question: Why this Oscars? Why this Oscars, you know?

It’s the 88th Academy Awards. It’s the 88th Academy Awards, which means this whole no black nominees thing has happened at least 71 other times. O.K.?

You gotta figure that it happened in the 50s, in the 60s — you know, in the 60s, one of those years Sidney didn’t put out a movie. I’m sure there were no black nominees some of those years. Say ‘62 or ‘63, and black people did not protest.

Why? Because we had real things to protest at the time, you know? We had real things to protest; you know, we’re too busy being raped and lynched to care about who won best cinematographer.

You know, when your grandmother’s swinging from a tree, it’s really hard to care about best documentary foreign short.

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Perfect balance of "you're racist" and "this is not that big of a deal".