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Is it Possible Maester Aemon knew who Jon's real Mother was? (Spoilers maybe)
Posted on 6/24/16 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 6/24/16 at 2:51 pm
Howland Reed knows for sure. We can speculate that Benjen Stark knew as well right? Or did he already go to Castle Black by the time Ned came back? Wouldn't make sense to me if he did seeing as he probably believes that a Stark must always be in Winterfell. So I would assume he went to Castle Black after he knew Ned had returned.
A lot of people think Ned told Benjen as well right before he left for Castle Black. I am one of those people.
Assuming that Ned DID tell Benjen, is it possible that Benjen told Maester Aemon? Targaryen names were all pretty similar (Aemon, Aegon, Aerys, Daemon, etc.) so it's pretty safe to assume that Benjen knew exactly who Aemon was the first time he met him. But do you think Benjen would've confided in Aemon the biggest secret in Westeros? I think he would. I think that is why Aemon took such an interest in Jon from the first day he stepped into Castle Black.
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A lot of people think Ned told Benjen as well right before he left for Castle Black. I am one of those people.
Assuming that Ned DID tell Benjen, is it possible that Benjen told Maester Aemon? Targaryen names were all pretty similar (Aemon, Aegon, Aerys, Daemon, etc.) so it's pretty safe to assume that Benjen knew exactly who Aemon was the first time he met him. But do you think Benjen would've confided in Aemon the biggest secret in Westeros? I think he would. I think that is why Aemon took such an interest in Jon from the first day he stepped into Castle Black.
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Posted on 6/24/16 at 2:56 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
he could maybe sense the blood of the dragon?
Idk wise old guy, if he knew he probably knew better than to tell him.
I really don't think Ned told anyone. I think he and Howland Reed knew and no one else.
Idk wise old guy, if he knew he probably knew better than to tell him.
I really don't think Ned told anyone. I think he and Howland Reed knew and no one else.
This post was edited on 6/24/16 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 6/24/16 at 2:57 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Can somebody please explain this R+L=J thing? In simple terms because I'm slow.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 2:58 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
I would think so, but the way Aemon reacted to Dany at the end of his life makes me think otherwise. I think he would have let Sam know the truth of Jon's identity, so the knowledge didn't theoretically die with him.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 2:58 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
So you think Ned broke his promise to his dying sister Lyanna, by telling Benjen, who then blabbed to Maester Aemon
This post was edited on 6/24/16 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 6/24/16 at 2:59 pm to The Sad Banana
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somebody please explain this R+L=J thing? In simple terms because I'm slow.
Just look it up man.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 2:59 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Jon's real Mother was
I think his Father is the bigger importance
I agree that it is highly likely on both accounts.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 3:00 pm to SammyTiger
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I really don't think Ned told anyone. I think he and Howland Reed knew and no one else.
I feel pretty sure that Benjen knew. The way he treated Jon compared to his other nieces and nephews is a good sign of this. Plus Benjen did say that Jon would never join the Night's Watch if he knew exactly what he was giving up by taking the vows.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 3:01 pm to jefforize
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you think Ned broke his promise to his dying sister Lyanna, by telling Benjen, who then blabbed to Maester Aemon
I think if Ned told anybody, it would've been his own brother who was taking the black.
You lose all lands and titles when you take the black so maybe he trusted Benjen enough to tell him?
This post was edited on 6/24/16 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 6/24/16 at 3:01 pm to The Sad Banana
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Can somebody please explain this R+L=J thing? In simple terms because I'm slow.
Rhaegar + Lyanna = Jon
Jon and Lyanna are in the Tower of Joy. That's why Robert Barathean was never told by Ned who Jon's mother was. He would have killed Jon. This was made evident in season one when they were taking a break on the Kings Road on the way to Kings Landing.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 3:02 pm to OMLandshark
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I feel pretty sure that Benjen knew. The way he treated Jon compared to his other nieces and nephews is a good sign of this. Plus Benjen did say that Jon would never join the Night's Watch if he knew exactly what he was giving up by taking the vows.
Agreed
Posted on 6/24/16 at 3:02 pm to The Sad Banana
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Can somebody please explain this R+L=J thing? In simple terms because I'm slow.
The theory that seems to be becoming a rapid inevitability is that Rhaegar didn't kidnap and rape Lyanna Stark. Rather they were in love and she ran off with him, and she got pregnant.
The child was Jon. Ned went to get his sister from the Tower of Joy, found her dyding after child birth, and she made him promise to protect the child.
Ned, knowing how the Targaryun children were killed at Kings Landing, knew the best way to protect the child was to claim he was his own bastard.
This fits Ned's Character. He puts his honor above everything. Even above the appearance of his honor. So he woudl never cheat on Catlyn, but he would also do anything to keep his oath to Lyanna.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 3:03 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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You lose all lands and titles when you take the black so maybe he trusted Benjen enough to tell him?
Plus I don't think Benjen would take his bullshite excuses like everyone did. It's his sister who is dead, and he would want to know why and why his honorable brother had a bastard son. Benjen would figure it out knowing Ned and Lyanna better than anyone what exactly happened.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 3:04 pm to OMLandshark
That could just mean pussy and a high born lifestyle inside the walls of Winterfell
Posted on 6/24/16 at 3:05 pm to SammyTiger
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This fits Ned's Character.
Worst character death ever.. man I miss Ned
Posted on 6/24/16 at 3:09 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
It's possible, but irrelevant
I mean he's dead in show and book so what's the point of wondering if he knew or not
I mean he's dead in show and book so what's the point of wondering if he knew or not
Posted on 6/24/16 at 3:09 pm to OMLandshark
I don't think Aemon knew, but I definitely think Benjen knows. I'm guessing Ned would've told Benjen about what happened to their sister/how she died.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 3:10 pm to SammyTiger
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This fits Ned's Character. He puts his honor above everything. Even above the appearance of his honor. So he woudl never cheat on Catlyn, but he would also do anything to keep his oath to Lyanna.
Which is something I don't get. The Starks are one of the biggest and oldest houses in the world. So pretty much every major player in Westeros had either a)known Ned or b) known how honorable Ned was.
I find it incredibly hard to believe that of all the very smart lords in Westeros at the time, Jon Aryn especially, who knew Ned better than anybody, would believe that Ned would've cheated on Cat. That just doesn't really add up to me.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 3:10 pm to OMLandshark
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I feel pretty sure that Benjen knew. The way he treated Jon compared to his other nieces and nephews is a good sign of this. Plus Benjen did say that Jon would never join the Night's Watch if he knew exactly what he was giving up by taking the vows.
Not a terrible theory.
I sorta have a few issues with it.
1. I don't think Ned would tell anyone, and if he did I don't think he woudl tell them without making them swear not to tell anyone else. The best way to keep a secret is to shut the frick up about it.
2. I don't think Benjen woudl treat Jon differently If he was Ned or Lyanna's kid. I think either a) he relates to him as a sorta outcast b) relates to him because he knows Jon always wanted to join the watch OR c) has a great relationship with all his nieces and nephews, and we just perceived Jon's as a stronger relationship because the book is third person narration and everything is based on the POV character's perception of things. Jon is the POV character and he look sup to Benjen and feels a strong commonality with him as an outsider, so thats the nature their relationship takes on in our minds as well.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 3:12 pm to wildtigercat93
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It's possible, but irrelevant
I know it is, just a talking point.
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