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Is Godfather 2 better than the original Godfather?
Posted on 3/26/17 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 3/26/17 at 12:54 pm
Imo yes. To me, the characters are more in-depth and the musical score is something that really makes the movie in my opinion
Posted on 3/26/17 at 12:56 pm to papasmurf1269
I don't think so. The Godfather Pt. II is amazing, don't get me wrong, but The Godfather is perfect and is a better film, imo.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 1:14 pm to papasmurf1269
Yes, Deniro is great in it. Young Vito's story is more interesting than Michael's.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 1:44 pm to papasmurf1269
I think of them as one long movie. I can't separate them.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 1:55 pm to papasmurf1269
1a and 1b, and it doesn't matter which is which. You lose incredible performances from Godfather (like Brando) and gain incredible performances in Godfather II (like DeNiro). The story of the rise of Michael is as epic as the rise of the Don, and vice versa. In 1, we see Michael's journey to becoming the Godfather interspersed with Vito's struggle to hold onto the power he has achieved, and the attendant tragedies. In II, we see Vito's journey to becoming the Godfather interspersed with Michael's struggle to hold onto the power he has achieved, and the attendant tragedies. They are deliberately mirrored and picking one over the other will always mean you lose half the overall story.
This post was edited on 3/26/17 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 3/26/17 at 1:55 pm to Brosef Stalin
I think godfather 1 is the better overall movie but the flashback scenes with young Vito in godfather 2 are my favorite parts in either of the movies
Posted on 3/26/17 at 1:59 pm to papasmurf1269
I've always preferred Part 2.
Just found Vitos rise with DeNiro far more interesting than Michael hiding out in Sicily walking the hills looking for chicks.
(Although Apollonia was hot as hell and probably the best thing in all the movies)
Just found Vitos rise with DeNiro far more interesting than Michael hiding out in Sicily walking the hills looking for chicks.
(Although Apollonia was hot as hell and probably the best thing in all the movies)
Posted on 3/26/17 at 2:42 pm to papasmurf1269
What makes GFII slightly inferior to GFI, IMHO, is the opening few minutes in Lake Tahoe and most of (not all) the Miami/Cuba stuff.
However, the best scene in either movie is Michael and Fredo in the sun room of the Lake Tahoe compound. John Cazale should have gotten the Oscar for just that scene alone. He made Pacino look like an extra in that scene.
However, the best scene in either movie is Michael and Fredo in the sun room of the Lake Tahoe compound. John Cazale should have gotten the Oscar for just that scene alone. He made Pacino look like an extra in that scene.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 2:46 pm to LuckySo-n-So
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However, the best scene in either movie is Michael and Fredo in the sun room of the Lake Tahoe compound. John Cazale should have gotten the Oscar for just that scene alone. He made Pacino look like an extra in that scene.
Absolutely. When I watched it for the first time, I actually wondered if Cazale was already dying and his afflictions were showing up. It was that powerful.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 2:47 pm to LuckySo-n-So
quote:that scene is exactly the scene I was thinking about when I made the comment about the musical score.
However, the best scene in either movie is Michael and Fredo in the sun room of the Lake Tahoe compound. John Cazale should have gotten the Oscar for just that scene alone. He made Pacino look like an extra in that scene.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 3:38 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
I loved the Miami/Cuba scenes just because of this The business we've chosen
The best scene of the series IMHO.
The best scene of the series IMHO.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 4:13 pm to papasmurf1269
They're two of the best movies of all time, but no. Part 2 is not better than The Godfather.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 4:24 pm to Patrick_Bateman
I always thought the consensus among sequels was...(and at least I grew up hearing this) -
Better sequels than original...and Godfather was always mentioned...always, along with Empire Strikes Back.
Ranking is based on how much better the sequel was compared to the original...not how great the sequel is.
1. Star Trek, The Wrath of Khan
2. The Road Warrior
3. Aliens
4. Empire Strikes Back
5. Godfather Part II
It's in the pantheon of movies where the sequel is better...but it's not SO much better...its razor thin.
While Star Trek Wrath of Khan is light years ahead of the original and Road Warrior kicks Mad Max's arse.
Better sequels than original...and Godfather was always mentioned...always, along with Empire Strikes Back.
Ranking is based on how much better the sequel was compared to the original...not how great the sequel is.
1. Star Trek, The Wrath of Khan
2. The Road Warrior
3. Aliens
4. Empire Strikes Back
5. Godfather Part II
It's in the pantheon of movies where the sequel is better...but it's not SO much better...its razor thin.
While Star Trek Wrath of Khan is light years ahead of the original and Road Warrior kicks Mad Max's arse.
This post was edited on 3/26/17 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 3/26/17 at 4:41 pm to papasmurf1269
IMHO, no
For one thing, GFI can stand alone. GFII only makes sense in the context of GFI.
Also, GF I has a character arc -- Michael Corleone's journey from war hero to gangster.
The Vito backstory in GF II is similar -- from simple immigrant to Mafia chief.
In contrast, the Michael story in GF II has none. He starts out as an ice-cold mafia don, and ends that way. The only difference is along the way he gets disappointed/betrayed by various people close to him.
When you get down to it, the Michael story in GF II, for all its fascinating detail and technical brilliance, is a standard gangster movie.
For one thing, GFI can stand alone. GFII only makes sense in the context of GFI.
Also, GF I has a character arc -- Michael Corleone's journey from war hero to gangster.
The Vito backstory in GF II is similar -- from simple immigrant to Mafia chief.
In contrast, the Michael story in GF II has none. He starts out as an ice-cold mafia don, and ends that way. The only difference is along the way he gets disappointed/betrayed by various people close to him.
When you get down to it, the Michael story in GF II, for all its fascinating detail and technical brilliance, is a standard gangster movie.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 4:48 pm to papasmurf1269
I always liked the longer timeline version. You don't see it often, but it starts with young Vito and works up to Michael's rise. I just found a copy on Ebay and plan to convert the VHS to DVD.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 4:54 pm to Kafka
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In contrast, the Michael story in GF II has none. He starts out as an ice-cold mafia don, and ends that way. The only difference is along the way he gets disappointed/betrayed by various people close to him.
I think Michael's arc is his strict cold hearted gangster persona destroying everything in his life. By the end of the movie everyone he was ever close to is either dead or pushed out of his life. It's the inevitable end that his life of immorality and really his family's story of immorality led towards. In the end he defeats all his foes, but he really loses everything that the Corleone's ever said was actually important to them. Michael's part in GFII completes the story of the immigrant family's realization of the American dream.
Posted on 3/26/17 at 5:05 pm to Kafka
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In contrast, the Michael story in GF II has none. He starts out as an ice-cold mafia don, and ends that way. The only difference is along the way he gets disappointed/betrayed by various people close to him.
You can also interpret that as Michael learning that the old ways, the romanticized and almost epic feel of the Corleone family he grew up in are going away. This isn't Don Vito's Mafia, and his family isn't going to be gathering for the jovial family dinners and camaraderie that characterized Don Vito's patriarchy. At the beginning, he still thinks he can have what his father had. That Kay will eventually be like his mother, that his kids will be like him and his brothers, all bound closely. He learns it's a new world, and even his rosy memories of his family grow tainted, with one brother already dead and another brother betraying him. He had a man killed in I at least in part because the man disrespected his family. And Fredo, who he told clearly to never go against family, betrays everything Michael believed about his childhood. He can no longer sit comfortably and benevolently on the throne like his father did. This contrasts with the world Don Vito grew up in, which is why the flashbacks are so significant. Not just for their own sake, but as commentary on Michael's arc and the loss of the sense of community that Don Vito had growing up in a tight-knit, almost provincial, time and place. Michael is expanding into Vegas, Cuba, and he gradually loses contact with his roots. He may start out cold, but he does grow more and more disillusioned. That's a significant character arc.
I...uh...I am a fan of the first two movies. Does it show?
This post was edited on 3/26/17 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 3/26/17 at 5:37 pm to papasmurf1269
I've always liked II better
Posted on 3/26/17 at 5:49 pm to Thurber
On a side note is GFIII really that bad or does it just seem bad because I and II are so good?
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