I'm late to the party. Just finished watching Making a Murderer.

Avery murdered her, just like Adnan murdered Hae Min Lee.

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I'm completely astonished that a jury would convict Avery and his nephew.

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If you enjoyed that, you should watch Paradise Lost: Parts 1-3 next.

He may very well have murdered her but I find it hard to believe that they could say he did it beyond a reasonable doubt.

There's no way you could slash a struggling person's throat and/or shoot them 11 times and not leave one single drop of blood in the areas where it allegedly happened.

I just finished it the other day. There is no way the nephew did it. At one point, he asked his mom on the phone what inconsistent means. He is literally retarded and was clearly coerced and confused.

He had no idea what happened during his confession. After saying he raped her, slit her throat, shot her multiple times, and burned her remains, he asked if he would be back by 1:29 to turn in his project for sixth hour.

He had no grasp of anything.

And it's not just mentally retarded people who confess.

There have been countless studies on this - you can even watch confessions on Youtube.

The public is perplexed with this phenomenon and therefore don't believe it's true.

But smart people confess all the time given enough time and pressure. False confessions is the easiest way for the State to convict people and yet it is the most unreliable evidence in connecting the defendant to the crime.

"Sometimes law enforcement use harsh interrogation tactics with uncooperative suspects. But some police officers, convinced of a suspect’s guilt, occasionally use tactics so persuasive that an innocent person feels compelled to confess.

For instance, it is perfectly legal for law enforcement to employ deception or trickery in the interrogation room.

Some suspects are untruthfully told that there is already evidence pointing to their guilt, such as a forensic test that links the suspect to the crime.

Some suspects have confessed to avoid physical harm or discomfort.

Others are told they will be convicted with or without a confession and that their sentence will be more lenient if they confess.

Some are told a confession is the only way to avoid the death penalty. These tactics can be persuasive in eliciting a false confession."

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He may very well have murdered her but I find it hard to believe that they could say he did it beyond a reasonable doubt.

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This was one of the things that really bothered me. Whether or not he did it, the man was in no way smart enough to clean up ALL the evidence that should have been there if the crime took place where they said it did. I think he most likely killed her, and then evidence was planted/story twisted so the cops were 100% sure he'd get charged.

Brandon Dassey was just sad. It was completely unfair what they did to him.

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I'm completely astonished that a jury would convict Avery and his nephew. Is it just the way the documentary producers put their own spin on things or is the evidence really in the favor of a conviction?

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What will happen now is you'll google around and find a list of talking points that supposedly prove the bias of the filmmakers. Out of the 15-20 bullets, maybe 3 of them will be actually meaningful. There's someone on here that claims if you read the entire Dassey transcript, it proves he was at least involved. I've been too lazy to do that. I personally think the nephew wasn't involved and that Avery was unlikely to be involved. To answer your question directly: it IS astonishing that a jury voted to convict. However, the jury was relentlessly lied to by that scumbag prosecutor as well (who should have to go to prison for that theatrical press conference he gave, inventing out of whole cloth some of the most lurid accusations ever trotted out.)

Well the worst was the defense attorney.

If all that WAS true...there was something rotten in Denmark.

There was seriously some set-up shady stuff in that town with both sides working in cahoots.

That was the craziest part of the story for me. Prosecutors and cops can be corrupt and do anything for a conviction...they don't have clients.

But the defense attorney is supposed to do everything in their power to help their client - not help the prosecution.

The defense attorney's apparent roll-over for the prosecution is the scariest thing about what is going on in this town with the cops, the prosecution, the judge and then the defense attorneys.

I mean you have to be honest and say the doc does a pretty damn good job of painting a conspiracy of a town of public officials with a small coffer who want to keep their pensions, scorned and seeking revenge so they don't have to pay out millions in reparations.

How do you do that? Convict Avery. Lawsuit gone. Jobs saved.

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I'm just curious as to how people are firmly convinced as to why it was Avery that did it.

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Yeah, I don't really get it either. Several other Avery adults lived on the same compound...why not them?

If you like Making a Murderer then you should watch Paradise Lost (HBO GO). It is even better.