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re: GOT vs LOTR
Posted on 5/7/13 at 1:30 pm to manwich
Posted on 5/7/13 at 1:30 pm to manwich
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is this the criteria for a better fantasy story?
It shouldn't be. The classical fantasy story of tolkien create a certain magic that was practically tangible and jumped off the pages at you. (This was my personal experience when I read the story as a youngster.)
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Posted on 5/7/13 at 1:31 pm to udtiger
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GoT v. LotR
As movies
That's the only one I can speak to...GoT is for adults. LotR is for kids and adults. GoT's characters are almost all morally ambiguous, LotR's are more obviously good or bad guys.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 1:35 pm to udtiger
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As books.
Personally, I don't care to read either - to each his own tho.
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As a story.
LOTR is pretty classic fantasy - multi races coming together to defeat a common enemy. GOT is all humans fricking each other over to gain power. I like LOTR because I find the different types of of non-human characters to be more interesting.
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As movies.
LOTR is a movie trilogy - GOT is a TV show. You can see why GOT borrows a lot of LOTR's look and feel. GOT is what LOTR could've been with a R-rating. I'll go with the originator, LOTR.
So basically:
LOTR - 2
GOT - 0
Push - 1
Both series are awesome and I'm glad they exist
Posted on 5/7/13 at 2:53 pm to Billy Mays
The lack of elves/other races and presence of boobies make GoT > LotR, imo. But also the realism of moral ambiguity.
As for books, The Hobbit was the first and last fantasy novel I ever read.
As for books, The Hobbit was the first and last fantasy novel I ever read.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 2:56 pm to kingbob
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as books? GOT easily. Lord of the Rings is written in a style that is incredibly frustrating.
100% agree.
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as a story? GOT wins again due to the fact that the story seems much more believable. Westeros feels more like a real place. The characters' actions and motivations are all very relateable.
Personally think it a wash, but I don't disagree with your reasoning at all. I just love the fantasy setting of LOTR
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as movies? This is the only edge I can grant to Lord of the Rings. The last two movies were breathtaking in their scope and their scale. The massive battle sequences were simply astounding.
100% agree.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 3:21 pm to udtiger
I have to see the end to judge this.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 3:37 pm to NimbleCat
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LOTR made it possible for GOT. For his time- Tolkien pushed the boundaries for Fiction / Fantasy. His creation of a language was an astounding pursuit and accomplishment. The monetary gains were not the same in Tolkien's era either, and I believe that should be taken into account.
Tolkien inspired a generation to pursue the Genre.
If Martin is to be considered a greater writer...it is because he had the opportunity to stand on the shoulders of giants.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 3:38 pm to SG_Geaux
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as a story? GOT wins again due to the fact that the story seems much more believable. Westeros feels more like a real place. The characters' actions and motivations are all very relateable.
The demon coming out of the women's vagina is so believable.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 3:50 pm to CP3LSU25
You can barely compare the two, especially as 'movies'.
One was limited to 10-11 hours worth of viewing. Requiring tons of stuff to be left off of LOTR movies.
GOT is a tv show that can get in depth with characters and keep little parts of the book alive because it only needs your attention for 1 hour at a time.
LOTR, had it been an HBO or Showtime series would have been a lot different.
I have not read the GOT books, can't comment on that
Story, well I love LOTR too much to pick against it. I also don't know how, or if GOT ends. Seems like it will just go on forever with people backstabbing each other.
One was limited to 10-11 hours worth of viewing. Requiring tons of stuff to be left off of LOTR movies.
GOT is a tv show that can get in depth with characters and keep little parts of the book alive because it only needs your attention for 1 hour at a time.
LOTR, had it been an HBO or Showtime series would have been a lot different.
I have not read the GOT books, can't comment on that
Story, well I love LOTR too much to pick against it. I also don't know how, or if GOT ends. Seems like it will just go on forever with people backstabbing each other.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 3:58 pm to udtiger
Books...torn, the character in GoT act like real humans, but there is more at stake in LotR...edge to the book with sex...GoT
Tv show vs movie...Looooove GoT, but its a runaway LotR
Story...Another tough one. Hmmmm, damn that's tough. GoT...character arcs win this one
Tv show vs movie...Looooove GoT, but its a runaway LotR
Story...Another tough one. Hmmmm, damn that's tough. GoT...character arcs win this one
Posted on 5/7/13 at 4:18 pm to CP3LSU25
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as a story? GOT wins again due to the fact that the story seems much more believable. Westeros feels more like a real place. The characters' actions and motivations are all very relateable.
The demon coming out of the women's vagina is so believable.
I'm sure you understand that the human characters in GoT are much more relatable than the pure good vs. pure evil characters of LotR.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 4:30 pm to PowerTool
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I'm sure you understand that the human characters in GoT are much more relatable than the pure good vs. pure evil characters of LotR.
I don't think that's very true.
All the characters in all of Middle Earth are tempted by the ring. They are really all a little evil because of the ring.
The good in them lets a few escape the ring's draw. Even Gandalf is tempted, otherwise Frodo would never have been the one to take the ring to Mordor.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 4:43 pm to TexasTiger1185
You really can't compare the 2.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 4:52 pm to TexasTiger1185
The power and the allure of the ring is very basic
We're told it's powerful and evil and thus men want it, but not for what application. The characters in GoT are much more interesting, but LotR has more at stake
We're told it's powerful and evil and thus men want it, but not for what application. The characters in GoT are much more interesting, but LotR has more at stake
Posted on 5/7/13 at 5:00 pm to CP3LSU25
the more i think about the pure good vs pure evil thing the more it seems like bullshite
humans - weak, good and bad, all the main humans go through a rough period even aragorn but his is his appearance to the hobbits. his inner struggle is his main flaw. Theoden getting heals by Gandalf. his family is torn between hatred and loyalty. Grima betraying Saruman, etc.
elves - very bitter and depressed about the general state of the world and their desire to abandon it completely. they should be the closest to pure good since they began as happy elemental spirit types but their waning numbers and long defeats have taken their toll
dwarves - not really good or evil just focused on getting rich. both them and elves hold grudges for thousands of years
Ents - only care about their own kind. willing to let the rest of the world burn
Hobbits - stupid, scared and self-centered. the are only protected against great evil from the ring because they have no strengths/powers.
wizards - Saruman for one changed from good to evil as he was exposed to Sauron
Sauron Shelob and Balrogs - pure evil
Orcs/goblins - evil but mainly driven by fear of Sauron, not necessarily evil in and of themselves. they tend to scatter when his power dissipates
Trolls - again, just dumb and manipulated easily
humans - weak, good and bad, all the main humans go through a rough period even aragorn but his is his appearance to the hobbits. his inner struggle is his main flaw. Theoden getting heals by Gandalf. his family is torn between hatred and loyalty. Grima betraying Saruman, etc.
elves - very bitter and depressed about the general state of the world and their desire to abandon it completely. they should be the closest to pure good since they began as happy elemental spirit types but their waning numbers and long defeats have taken their toll
dwarves - not really good or evil just focused on getting rich. both them and elves hold grudges for thousands of years
Ents - only care about their own kind. willing to let the rest of the world burn
Hobbits - stupid, scared and self-centered. the are only protected against great evil from the ring because they have no strengths/powers.
wizards - Saruman for one changed from good to evil as he was exposed to Sauron
Sauron Shelob and Balrogs - pure evil
Orcs/goblins - evil but mainly driven by fear of Sauron, not necessarily evil in and of themselves. they tend to scatter when his power dissipates
Trolls - again, just dumb and manipulated easily
This post was edited on 5/7/13 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 5/7/13 at 5:46 pm to manwich
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the more i think about the pure good vs pure evil thing the more it seems like bullshite
Yeah and that's not even getting into Tolkien's other works like the Silmarillion which has incest and kinslaying.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 8:06 pm to shelly
quote:Maybe he had more influence over the modern fantasy genre than we realized
incest and kinslaying.
Posted on 5/7/13 at 8:10 pm to TexasTiger1185
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I don't think that's very true.
All the characters in all of Middle Earth are tempted by the ring. They are really all a little evil because of the ring.
The good in them lets a few escape the ring's draw. Even Gandalf is tempted, otherwise Frodo would never have been the one to take the ring to Mordor.
That's not the point though. Yeah, the good guys act like real people, but there's a pure evil force that are the main antagonists.
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