re: GoT S7 E2 "Stormborn" Thread: Maesters Only, Hodors GFY

Well Yara is bi if that makes you feel better

It's interesting how this men/women discussion has kind of come full circle. Early on, both Cersei and Cat were acting irrationally because of their concern for / attachment to their children. Sansa was pretty much an airhead girl. Tywin and Roose were considered hard and harsh but practical and effective rulers. Ned was considered an effective AND just leader. Some people complained women were being portrayed as tooo emotional.

Then, both Tywin and Roose were killed by their children due at least in part to their long term mistreatment of said children. (Watch out, Randyl). Ned was killed after he confessed to try and spare his children.

Now people are complaint women are getting too favorable treatment by the writers.

In truth, seems like the real moral that GRRM and D&D are trying to convey is it is bad and dangerous to have children?

I just did my rewatch and I fast forwarded through the Greyworm Missandei scene.

Is anyone else hoping that since they showed them "share a moment" that it foreshadows his arse dying soon, or does Greyworm have more plot armor than Dany at this point?

I don't know about y'all but I like Euron as a villain so far, and I think some of that has been from reading Pilou Asbaek's interviews about the character (and some has been from him killing two of the bad poosays). I'm looking forward to seeing what he does the rest of the season.

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Is anyone else hoping that since they showed them "share a moment" that it foreshadows his arse dying soon, or does Greyworm have more plot armor than Dany at this point?

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I mean, who else are they going to kill during the Casterly Rock battle? I can see it... maybe Jorah as well since I'm guessing he'll join that battle given Oldtown isn't far away, but I'm guessing narratively he sees Dany again. Grey Worm is the most likely casualty, although I wouldn't really care if he goes. He's the most boring character in a great show since Paulo in Lost.

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If anything, Cat was more agravating even then Cersei. Because Cat had a grating sense of righteousness to go along with her stupidiy. I always got the feeling that Cersei kind of realized how much of a count she is.

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I agree. Aside from when Cat was grieving from the loss of her sons, I felt nothing for her since she was so sure that she was right and better than everyone. Cat is sane and a complete bitch.

Cersei though, her chapters were fascinating to read. Just totally delusional with Cat's intentions of bettering her children and family. You don't feel bad for her nor does GRRM want you to feel bad for her, with the possible exception of her Walk of Shame.

Her point of view is just so refreshing due to how disconnected she is from the real world. It's why I actually liked Sansa's chapters in the first book, because it's intentional that you roll your eyes at her worldview as being just wrong. I can't wait until... well it's not going to happen, but theoretically if Winds is ever released to get back into Cersei's batshit crazy head. Those are some of the best chapters in the series.

I'd much rather Asha kill Euron than Theon. Yeah, girl power message, but it just makes a bit more narrative sense.

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Has theon ever wielded a sword successfully?

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He was holding his own on the ship before he pulled a Smee from Captain Hook and abandoned ship.

I hope our man Bronn fricks Grey Worm up at the Rock.

Someone was talking about the Dornish army not being viable option so far removed without ships but IIRC in the books they traveled north by land with another I guess you could say ally of Dany.

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I also think some people are giving Cersei to much credit.

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She also would have basically been responsible for losing KL if Tywin didn't come save the day during blackwater. She's been worthless militarily, by Jaime is there and he's down himself not than capable as a tactician before.