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re: Doctor Who 50th Anniversary Thread
Posted on 11/26/13 at 3:21 pm to Bard
Posted on 11/26/13 at 3:21 pm to Bard
I put Smith and Tennant ahead of T. Baker for my top 3.
They have hit home runs with casting since the show was re-booted. Capaldi looks like he'll be up there. Although really, there was no such thing as a "bad" Doctor -- C. Baker just got stuck with horrible scripts when the series was running on fumes. McCoy was great and the writing got better when he had the part, but the show was dying.
They have hit home runs with casting since the show was re-booted. Capaldi looks like he'll be up there. Although really, there was no such thing as a "bad" Doctor -- C. Baker just got stuck with horrible scripts when the series was running on fumes. McCoy was great and the writing got better when he had the part, but the show was dying.
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Posted on 11/26/13 at 4:11 pm to Fletch F Fletch
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considering if The Doctor brings Gallifrey back, he's still not the most popular
True, but he did save Gallifrey, while wiping out the majority of daleks along the way.
A way for the writers to get around the 12 regeneration rule is through Gallifrey. It's a rule implemented by the time lords, so it's something they can change if need be.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 7:39 am to TN Bhoy
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Tennant's the best actor that the show's ever had (Capaldi's a close second). Stop being mad because he's better looking than you.
I'm actually quite handsome and certainly more built than that twig.
I won't deny Tennant is a better actor than Baker (Tom Baker just acts as Tom Baker in basically everything he's done) but the more the show moves away from the pretty boy hipster urbane Doctors who wave their arms and say wibbly-wobbly the better. Loved the part when John Hurt mocked them. Quite frankly I think Tennant tended to overact/lay it on thick at times. Constantly fawning over his companions. And that 'I'm sorry, I'm so so sorry' crap... ugh... but I'll chalk that up to the writers.
Fun fact: I believe Capaldi is the same age Hartnell was when he was cast. Obviously they won't portray him as old as Hartnell, though.
This post was edited on 11/27/13 at 7:45 am
Posted on 11/27/13 at 8:51 am to whodidthat
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wiping out the majority of daleks along the way
How many times have the majority of the Daleks been wiped out since the reboot, only to come back stronger every time? They sure are resilient.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 10:38 am to SSpaniel
The U.S. screenings of Day of the Doctor brought in $5 million.
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They really need to consider doing a movie. Keep it fairly low budget, put Matt Smith or David Tennant in it, do it in a way it doesn't contradict the continuity of the current series. Both of those Doctors traveled alone for periods of time, so there's room to operate.
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They really need to consider doing a movie. Keep it fairly low budget, put Matt Smith or David Tennant in it, do it in a way it doesn't contradict the continuity of the current series. Both of those Doctors traveled alone for periods of time, so there's room to operate.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 11:08 am to timbo
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Smith and Tennant ahead of T. Baker
Smith? He is won of the worst doctors ever. He shouldn't even be in the conversation for best. He is leading the conversation for worst.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 11:28 am to TigerMyth36
as homosex as it sounds, I developed an emotional connection to Ten that I just can't seem to replicate with Eleven. Tennant is a natural at the dark stuff, with Smith you can't help but see the acting, like he's wearing his dad's suit to play Willy Loman in high school. he knows what to do, it's just not working the way it would with a 50 year old man.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 12:30 pm to Fletch F Fletch
I like Smith a lot. I think he's good at coming across as a strange, awkward old man in a young person's body. He's also got a good light comic touch. As much as I like Tennant, he has a tendency to chew up scenery -- the prosecution calls all of "The End of Time" as evidence.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 2:11 pm to SSpaniel
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How many times have the majority of the Daleks been wiped out since the reboot, only to come back stronger every time? They sure are resilient.
I said majority, not every single dalek, some survived and rebuilt, it's logical and happens in every war. It's basically impossible to wipe them out completely when billions were created
Posted on 11/27/13 at 3:21 pm to whodidthat
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I said majority, not every single dalek, some survived and rebuilt, it's logical and happens in every war. It's basically impossible to wipe them out completely when billions were created
Not really. They should be all dead. For about the billionth time since the reboot they were allegedly wiped out throughout ALL Time & Space by Dark Evil Tennant Who.
Yet they still showed up again.
The biggest weakness of the 50th plot was the doctors knew the plan didn't stop the Daleks so there was no point to it. Since he only ran into Daleks about 47 times since the alleged destruction of all Daleks.
In Dalek, he clearly believed ALL not just most....he believed ALL Daleks were gone.
Tennant Doctor already knew Gallifrey wasn't wiped out. Were we just supposed to forget that whole storyline of the Time Lords trying to take Earth with Rassilon at the helm?
And how is the 4th doctor old? It was great seeing Baker but I am not sure how he fit into continuity.
Smith Who looked excited about finding Gallifrey. Seems he completely forgot Rassilon will be waiting and pissed.
This post was edited on 11/27/13 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 11/27/13 at 3:23 pm to TigerMyth36
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And how is the 4th doctor old? It was great seeing Baker but I am not sure how he fit into continuity.
"You'll be revisiting a few of your old favorites"
Posted on 11/27/13 at 5:21 pm to TigerMyth36
Biggest problem with the new series Daleks is that Davies set them up as the most powerful race in the universe surpassing even the Time Lords. So now whenever you get a sizable collection of Daleks together you need what is essentially a miracle to save the day. Repeat that half a dozen times and it completely undermines the purpose of setting them up as near omnipotent in the first place. When it only takes a minute of screen time to pull a 'Davies' Ex Machina out of your pocket they are no longer menacing.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 5:26 pm to Unknown_Poster
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Biggest problem with the new series Daleks is that Davies set them up as the most powerful race in the universe surpassing even the Time Lords.
The Cybermen laugh at this.
ETA: That said, the most recent version of the Cybermen is also the only version I could see being scared of.
This post was edited on 11/27/13 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 11/27/13 at 6:19 pm to TigerMyth36
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In Dalek, he clearly believed ALL not just most....he believed ALL Daleks were gone.
Keyword.
Some survived, like survivors of any war or destruction event. Japanese survived the atom bomb. Life on earth survived multiple extinction events.
They survived and rebuilt.
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Tennant Doctor already knew Gallifrey wasn't wiped out. Were we just supposed to forget that whole storyline of the Time Lords trying to take Earth with Rassilon at the helm?
As soon as the War Doctor and 10th stepped on their tardis, the timeline was reset and they forgot what transpired. Only the 11th doctor remembered because it was his timeline that brought them together.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 7:18 pm to whodidthat
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As soon as the War Doctor and 10th stepped on their tardis, the timeline was reset and they forgot what transpired. Only the 11th doctor remembered because it was his timeline that brought them together.
So. That has nothing to do with Rassilon trying to shift Gallifrey into Earth's location. Both Tennant and Smith should have known BEFORE this episode that Gallifrey still existed. Just as they should have known the Daleks weren't even remotely stymied by Hurt pushing the button.
You keep saying some survive in war but the device used by Evil Crazy Tennant was supposed to wipe Daleks from ALL TIME & SPACE.
The weakness of the reboot of this show is that every other episode, the ENTIRE universe is at stake. They have to keep one upping themselves which get ridiculous.
Even more ridiculous when they kill off a race only to have them come back 100 times.
I get that the BBC wants to reuse daleks and cybermen because it saves them money but it makes for shitty stories when they keep repeating the same crap over and over.
Posted on 11/27/13 at 7:47 pm to Nimbus2000
Just watched it. LOVED it.
I thought at first they were opening up so many potential plotholes... but they managed to cinch 'em all up.
Love seeing "Rose" and Tennant's Doctor again even though they weren't interacting.
I imagine there were a lot of tidbits to make the "old" Who fans happy (I'm a NuWho only gal).
I thought at first they were opening up so many potential plotholes... but they managed to cinch 'em all up.
Love seeing "Rose" and Tennant's Doctor again even though they weren't interacting.
I imagine there were a lot of tidbits to make the "old" Who fans happy (I'm a NuWho only gal).
Posted on 11/27/13 at 9:10 pm to yurintroubl
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but they managed to cinch 'em all up.
Really? Explain #4 being old and gray. Loved seeing him but it makes no sense.
See my previous posts. 10 and 11 already knew Gallifrey still existed as they also knew the Daleks were still a supreme menace after Hurt pressed the button.
I still loved the episode although I hated the Fathom Event. Almost 30 minutes of bad who trivia and repeated pictures before they actually showed the episode. The Sontaran telling the theater rules was funny.
This generation of nerd girls outclasses the hell out of my generation's nerd girls.
Oh and would someone explain the continuity from the last regular episode and this one. It makes no sense how we get from the doctor diving into his time stream after Clara.
This post was edited on 11/27/13 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 11/27/13 at 9:43 pm to TigerMyth36
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Oh and would someone explain the continuity from the last regular episode and this one. It makes no sense how we get from the doctor diving into his time stream after Clara.
Agree that was terrible.
Posted on 11/28/13 at 12:05 am to TigerMyth36
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Really? Explain #4 being old and gray. Loved seeing him but it makes no sense.
He explained it as revisiting an old face. If you take it as a future Doctor, he took four's face and obviously had that body for a while so it aged. By that point, he's "retired" and not regenerating with the same frequency so his bodies actually show signs of aging.
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See my previous posts. 10 and 11 already knew Gallifrey still existed
No they didn't. Rassilon found a way for Gallifrey to escape the Time Lock at the end of the war but the Tenth Doctor closed it off and sent Gallifrey back in, presumably to be destroyed.
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Oh and would someone explain the continuity from the last regular episode and this one. It makes no sense how we get from the doctor diving into his time stream after Clara
This is a valid critique. No explanation given.
Posted on 11/28/13 at 12:11 am to TigerMyth36
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So. That has nothing to do with Rassilon trying to shift Gallifrey into Earth's location. Both Tennant and Smith should have known BEFORE this episode that Gallifrey still existed. Just as they should have known the Daleks weren't even remotely stymied by Hurt pushing the button.
My bad misread. They knew Gallifrey still existed, but there was time lock on their location.
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The High Council of Time Lords made contact with the Master using the rhythm of the drumbeats in his head - the same rhythm as the Time Lord's heartbeat - and sent him a White-Point Star, found only on Gallifrey, to boost the signal. Fitting the diamond to a nuclear bolt to boost the signal, the Master tore open the time lock on the war, bringing back the Time Lords.
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The only other things capable of breaching the time lock were those that were already in place, like the signal that had been transmitted back through time into the Master's mind and, on at least one occasion, very small objects, such as the White-Point Star diamond sent by Rassilon to follow the signal in the Master's head. (TV: The End of Time)
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The weakness of the reboot of this show is that every other episode, the ENTIRE universe is at stake.
Exaggeration. The majority of them aren't like that.
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Even more ridiculous when they kill off a race only to have them come back 100 times.
Exaggeration. Daleks have been in only about 12-15 episodes since the reboot. They've recorded over a 100 in that time frame.
You older fans sure like to bitch a lot, about everything.
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