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Brendan Dassey - Making a Murderer Spoilers
Posted on 5/5/16 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 5/5/16 at 5:07 pm
OK it's one thing for Avery not to get a new trial but how they hell does Brendan not get one?
It seems if anyone on the planet needs a retrial it would be this kid.
It seems if anyone on the planet needs a retrial it would be this kid.
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Posted on 5/5/16 at 5:23 pm to SmackDaniels
Ineffective counsel is impossible to show.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 5:54 pm to SmackDaniels
I guess 4 confessions just weren't enough for you?
Posted on 5/5/16 at 6:04 pm to brmark70816
Posted on 5/5/16 at 6:11 pm to Big Floppy TDs
I'm extremely serious. Kid is and has always been guilty. SJWs have been trying to spring him since the documentary aired. There is just no reason to. He is an admitted murderer, rapist that chopped up an innocent woman and then tried to hide his crime. I have no sympathy and could give a crap about how they got his confession. He admitted to the police twice, his cousin, friends, his lawyer, his lawyer's investigator and then his mom (and they didn't know it was recorded). The kid is where he belongs. Let it go..
Posted on 5/5/16 at 6:59 pm to brmark70816
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He is an admitted murderer, rapist that chopped up an innocent woman and then tried to hide his crime
He hid it extremely well considering there was not a drop of blood found in the room where he allegedly committed said murder. Think about that, a mildly retarded man covered up his crime better than genius-level psychopaths have done in the past.
Posted on 5/5/16 at 7:23 pm to TotesMcGotes
What about the confession tape? They basically had to feed him every detail/line
in some cases it was like a game of charades
in some cases it was like a game of charades
This post was edited on 5/5/16 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 5/5/16 at 7:25 pm to Goldrush25
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He hid it extremely well considering there was not a drop of blood found in the room where he allegedly committed said murder. Think about that, a mildly retarded man covered up his crime better than genius-level psychopaths have done in the past
The theory of the crime doesn't matter to me, nor do the specific circumstances. Another thing, he is not retarded. He is not smart and maybe has some social awkwardness, but that describes most criminals.
But I'll play along. Let him have another trial. How are they going to toss all the footage and recordings of him saying that he did it? Is he going to take the stand and just say that he lied over and over? The whole coerced confession thing is out the window. He was never hit, starved, tortured, the police had permission to question him, he didn't have a lawyer to consult or tell him not to talk. His interrogation is textbook procedure. He is convicted again, if he gets another trial. So what is the use?
Posted on 5/5/16 at 8:59 pm to TotesMcGotes
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Ineffective counsel is impossible to show.
Even when there is video of that counsel flat out coercing him to admit guilt?
Posted on 5/5/16 at 9:38 pm to gatortrav88
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What about the confession tape? They basically had to feed him every detail
You do realize the actual full 4 hour confession tapes were released right? He describes everything in detail. Everything. The documentary edited the shite out of these tapes taking away the incriminating parts. Plus you can't exactly play 4 hour confession in a 10 hour documentary. Since I know you won't read the entire article below or actually watch any of the tape I'll give you the tl;dr version. He did it Guilty
Posted on 5/5/16 at 9:57 pm to the_watcher
.....and still not a shred of physical evidence found in the garage to corroborate his "confession"
But I'm supposed to believe he was telling the truth?
But I'm supposed to believe he was telling the truth?
Posted on 5/5/16 at 11:53 pm to brmark70816
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The theory of the crime doesn't matter to me, nor do the specific circumstances
Logic tells you that if you chop up somebody, there is going to be a ton of blood. I'm not a doctor though. And you figure at least some drops would be left. Or maybe just one, one drop of blood.
You say he's not retarded, just not smart with social awkwardness like most criminals. After he was guided to a murder confession, he thought he was going to get to go back to school. You're pretty retarded if you honestly think you admit to a murder that that is what's going to allow you to go back to school. That's retarted.
So that same retarded person is supposed to have perfectly covered up a gruesome murder? Give me a break. There's no physical evidence against him (I just watched it once when right when it came out so correct me if I'm forgetting something). They got him to say he did it, they sure didn't get him to explain how because he'd have no way in hell of knowing how to do it.
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His interrogation is textbook procedure.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 12:19 am to brmark70816
I'm going to assume you're not really familiar with how police practices are supposed to work. There's no planet where that confession should be able to be entered as evidence. I'm not saying he didn't do it, but that doesn't make it into court 99% of the time, especially with a minor.
In regards to the show editing out stuff, I'm sure that's true, but it's pretty evident that they knew it was a shite confession because they didn't even use it to prosecute Avery. Think about that. A prosecutors dream, ace in the hole, verbal confession testimony that directly implicates Avery and basically wins their case because it would back up all the other evidence, and they didn't use it. Instead, they had to resurrect FBI tests from the dead to prove it and fight for their credibility the entire time. That's all the indication I need to know that that confession should've been suppressed.
In regards to the show editing out stuff, I'm sure that's true, but it's pretty evident that they knew it was a shite confession because they didn't even use it to prosecute Avery. Think about that. A prosecutors dream, ace in the hole, verbal confession testimony that directly implicates Avery and basically wins their case because it would back up all the other evidence, and they didn't use it. Instead, they had to resurrect FBI tests from the dead to prove it and fight for their credibility the entire time. That's all the indication I need to know that that confession should've been suppressed.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 12:44 am to the_watcher
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You do realize the actual full 4 hour confession tapes were released right? He
The longer the better.
You can describe the inside of Tutankhamen's tomb after 4 hours of grilling even if you've never been there.
Because the cops know the details.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 12:50 am to brmark70816
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SJW
you have no fricking clue what that term even means if you are using it to describe people who think Brendan got screwed.
you may as well call them beta hipster cucks while you're at it.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 6:38 am to Dixie Normus
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I'm going to assume you're not really familiar with how police practices are supposed to work. There's no planet where that confession should be able to be entered as evidence. I'm not saying he didn't do it, but that doesn't make it into court 99% of the time, especially with a minor.
You are going to have to explain what you mean by this or why it wouldn't have been included. They had permission to talk with him alone, he wasn't coerced. Maybe he was tricked into confessing or pressured, but that is what an interrogation is. It is supposed to get someone to admit something that they don't want to say. Plus there isn't just one confession. He said it multiple times to different people.
I knew something was up when I watched it and he made the phone call to his mother. When he told her that he did it, I was sold. There was no reason for him to tell her that. He didn't know he was being recorded. But he told her what he did and that he was responsible. How do you watch that and not to convinced? Would you ever call your mom and admit to rapping and murdering a woman that you didn't do?
Also, I'm from the deep south. I've seen 14-15 year old black kids being prosecuted as adults, that were pretty dumb as well. Being dumb, retarded, simple, slow, any of those, isn't a good defense. He is still responsible.
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but it's pretty evident that they knew it was a shite confession because they didn't even use it to prosecute Avery.
I don't know how they could have presented it, without putting him on the stand. He was a hostile witness and wouldn't have helped their flow. Plus, the case against Avery was substantial and they didn't need it. Once he turned on them (cause Avery pressured him and the family to change his story), he on his own. It was a horrible choice. He should have stuck with the first lawyer, testified against his uncle and taken the deal. He would be out of prison by now..
Posted on 5/6/16 at 7:39 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Logic tells you that if you chop up somebody, there is going to be a ton of blood. I'm not a doctor though. And you figure at least some drops would be left. Or maybe just one, one drop of blood.
I am not a doctor either, but I have processed swine and cattle through a meat production facility from slaughter to producing retail cuts of meat, and I can tell you that when you insert a knife into a pig's jugular furrow and bleed it out, blood freakin pours out by the gallon. Tons of it. An amazing amount. If they slit a woman's throat in that trailer as his coerced "confession" states, it would have saturated the mattress, been all over their clothes, saturated the carpet, everything would have been an uncleanable MESS. There's not way Brendan, who is functionally retarded, or his uncle, who is only a little better, could have cleaned that up as well as they supposedly did, but that's beside the point - NO ONE could have cleaned that up without burning the mattress and bed-sheets, removing the carpet from the trailer and burning it, then replacing the mattress and carpeting - and that's for starters - the spurting would have probably gotten on the walls, the lampshades, and they would have inadvertently rubbed it all over the place. No one who has slaughtered an animal can buy the so-called confession that they cut her throat or stabbed her multiple times in there. I think the uncle probably did it elsewhere, but the basis on which Brendan stands convicted, which is this confession, is fundamentally flawed because it is unsupported by what should be a MOUNTAIN of physical evidence that no one could cover up.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 7:45 am to SmackDaniels
One thing they never proved and bothered the hell out of me, if they really did rape and chop this chick up in the trailer, how did they not find a speck of blood in that bedroom?
I thought they were guilty FWIW, but that question never got answered.
I thought they were guilty FWIW, but that question never got answered.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 7:52 am to the_watcher
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You do realize the actual full 4 hour confession tapes were released right? He describes everything in detail. Everything. The documentary edited the shite out of these tapes taking away the incriminating parts. Plus you can't exactly play 4 hour confession in a 10 hour documentary. Since I know you won't read the entire article below or actually watch any of the tape I'll give you the tl;dr version. He did it Guilty
Are you fricking kidding me? Even in that transcript the kid's story is all over the place...not to mention all the leading done by police.
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