re: Ahsoka for those like me that haven’t seen CW or Rebels

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If you’re not willing to give it a chance

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I fricking did.

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there’s nothing we can do for you

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Do it for yourself. Everyone isn't going to like all of the same shite you do. Be waaaaaaayy less of a f#g about it.

Luke, Did I Ever Tell You About Ahsoka Tano?

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hyperspace traveling space whales

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the what?

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you’re the one who said that you have to be 8 years old to watch and enjoy

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Key phrase. I also said I watched some of it one post before yours that I liked BB and CW, but not Rebels. Of course I've watched it. How else would I know it was too kiddie for me?

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I thought exactly like this until I took the time to watch Clone Wars and Rebels. And I am here to tell you that, those two animated series are better than any and all of the live action movies and D+ shows. Except for maybe ESB.

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While I may agree with you if I took the time to watch, I do struggle with the idea of watching animated TV shows as an adult. This quandary stems from my association with my older brother, who continues to avidly watch cartoons as if he were still a child at the age of 8. His behavior comes across as less than sensible (idiot), and unfortunately, I tend to link this behavior with my reservations about animated entertainment for adults.

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There are certain posters here, who regularly show up in these threads to skyscream, who will never accept anyone but a strong, male lead in a show.

If you’re complaining about the female leads in this show that have been thoroughly fleshed out, supported in good SW content, then your agenda is obvious

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Seems to me that star wars has been shat on without female leads.

people hated obi wan, people hated solo, you have guys in here saying they wont watch a childs cartoon which is full of stong male charcters.


Nah, i think you guys get your panties in a wad over nothing.

shite i even forgot bobba fett existed, so there is another....

Others have broken down who Ahsoka is, so here’s the Rebels breakdown:

Star Wars Rebels is a series about a small cell of rebel terrorists on the planet Lothal working to sabotage a tie-fighter construction project headed by Admiral Thrawn. Thrawn is a military genius who is consistently one step ahead of the protagonists while using the rebels’ attacks to help consolidate his power.

You have Kanen, a former jedi padowan who survived order 66 and is in hiding with Hera, a talented pilot. Kenan and Hera serve as the sort of “mom and dad” of the group as well as the leaders. They love each other, and conceive a child. The big purple monkey guy is mostly comic relief, but he’s also a tank and mechanic, like the goofy uncle. Chopper is their genocidal droid who likely has the largest body count of any Star Wars character. Sabine and Ezra start off as tweens and grow up into young adults during the series. They start out like adopted step-siblings that clash with one-another, but eventually become closer than friends and even romantic. Sabine is a Mandalorian while Ezra is a thief/scoundrel in training on Lothal. Kanen discovers Ezra is force sensitive, and begins training him as a jedi.


Ahsoka eventually finds the crew and is saved by Ezra from Darth Vader. Ahsoka knows Vader is Anakin, and she blames herself for his fall to the dark side after she left the order. Ahsoka trains Sabine to use the Dark Saber. Kenan sacrifices himself to save Ezra.

The show follows the terrorist cell as they slowly gather supplies and support and link up with other disconnected resistance cells that eventually coalesce into a broader Rebellion.

The final season features a “world between worlds” which is some sort of parallel dimension outside of space and time. There’s lots of spooky force ruins and temples. The Dark Witches of Dathomir are one example. They wield their own brand of magic different from the force. The men in their civilization look like Maul.

In the series finale, Ezra and Thrawn are transported to somewhere unknown by some weird hyperspace whale creatures. Sabine misses Ezra, and the Imperial remnants want Thrawn back to lead them. So, now everyone is searching for where the whales could have taken them. The lady with the spear that Ahsoka fought in Season 2 of “The Mandalorian” was a Dark Witch of Dathomir.

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But it was mostly because they were awful.

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This. The inquisitor actress from Obi Wan was terribly written and worse acted.

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Rebels was just too kiddie for me.

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I watched all of CW and liked it.

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i havent watched all of rebels.... but the first season of Clone Wars was literally for 5-12yos. Until they realized they could tell great storied for adults.

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I'm not 8 years old, so I never watched this.

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That was my standing as well until I got about 3 seasons into CW (almost all of that was the show being on as background noise as I was doing other things). Season 7 (the final season) was impressive in its depth. The only thing kid-related about that season was that it was animated. I'm more of a story guy but the animation style is off-putting and Ahsoka's voice in S1 and S2 was like nails on a chalkboard. That said, it was worth going through the series. Once. (also, I understand why they did animation over live action as the time and costs to do even half the live action things they did with animation would have been unrealistic - still, they could have used a style not as child-oriented)

A lot of the plots in the early seasons are very kid-oriented with their transparency. Still, they serve a purpose as they (laboriously) create a solid foundation for the Jedi and clone army not only working together but becoming trusted friends (or as near to that as possible within a military hierarchy). As the series winds on, it eventually matures as we see Anakin begin to struggle with following the path of the Jedi, some Jedi turning away from the Jedi Order (even betraying the Order), lots of killing (not just shooting robots) and characters making choices based on events that have shaped them over the course of the show (understand though, there's a LOT of episodes to go through so that view is arrived at only by going through lots of filler content).

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Yeah, I can agree with that.

My son was a kid and watching Clone Wars, so I was there with it being on, in the background. As it progressed, I became aware that it was no more child-oriented than the live-action movies... it was fleshing the world out. I now actually prefer the CHARACTERS of Anakin, Obi-wan, and the rest from Clone Wars (series), to what we got in the prequel movies.

Like you said, the animation style (especially for organic lifeforms) is very childish. For the static scenery and non-organic stuff, especially in the later years, it's actually approaching realism.

I think it got started as a marketing towards little kids, but Filoni quickly saw it as a way to fill in the details, without beginning to approach the costs of a single live-action film.

I haven't seen Rebels, but as it's the same creative team, I can see that taking a similar progression.

For those who take a hard line against animation = kid stuff, not sure how I'd convince you otherwise. But remember, DC and the MCU is from comic books (and cartoons), too. Lots of anime is actually aimed at adults, also.